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Well-Ordering Principle From Recursion Theorem

As far as I understand, in intuitionistic logic we have neither (i) the well-ordering principle nor (ii) the recursion theorem. But can one deduce one from the other? I believe we cannot deduce (ii) ...
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Order isomorphism on a subset and a segment

I am trying to understand Theorem 1.7.4 of Devlin's Joy of Sets. The Theorem states: There is no isomorphism of $X$ onto a segment of $X$ (supposing $X$ is a woset). The difficulty I am having is that,...
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Construction of two uncountable sequences which are "interleaved"

I believe the answer to my following question is no, but some things about uncountable sets/sequences can be really counterintuitive so I wanted to double check: Does there exist a pair of uncountable ...
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Why is well-ordering needed to define the statement "$\forall i, \, P(i) \implies P(i + 1)$"?

I have learned a proof that the well ordering principle is equivalent to the inductive property for $\mathbb{N}$, and have understood it. However, I am confused as to the following statement my notes ...
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What are the order types of computable pseudo-ordinals with no c.e. descending chains?

The notion of a “computable pseudo-ordinal”, i.e. a computable linearly ordered set with no hyperarithmetical descending chains, is an old one going back to Stephen Kleene. Joe Harrison wrote the ...
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Does every well-ordered set obeying the non-induction Peano axioms have a well-ordering compatible with the successor operation?

Let $N$ be a well-ordered set together with a unary operation $s$ that obeys the following axioms (they are just the Peano axioms without induction): $0 \in N$ for each $n \in N$ we have $s(n) \in N$ ...
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Does a total or well ordering has a countable cofinal

I read a post sometime earlier asking about the cardinality of total ordering on a set, which I forgot about the detail but led me to this question. For a total/well-ordered set $A$ does there exist ...
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Why can't well ordered sets have infinite decreasing subsequences?

Chapter 2 of Mathematics for Computer Science presents the following: Define the set $\mathbb F$ of fractions that can be expressed in the form $\frac{n}{n+1}$. Define $\mathbb N$ as the set of ...
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Countable versus uncountable dense linear orders

Let $(\Omega,\leq)$ be a dense linear order without endpoints. If $\Omega$ is countable, we know by Cantor that $(\Omega,\leq)$ is order-isomorphic to $(\mathbb{Q},\leq)$. Suppose that $\Omega$ is not ...
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$\mathbb{N}\times\{0,1\}$ and $\{0,1\}\times \mathbb{N}$ not isomorphic

Show that the sets $W=\mathbb{N}\times\{0,1\}$ and $W'=\{0,1\}\times\mathbb{N}$, ordered lexicographically are non-isomorphic well-ordered sets. Any hints on how to prove this?
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Prove: $X$ is well orderable $\implies$ $X \times X$ is well orderable [duplicate]

I am studying a course on ZF Set Theory and have recently been considering whether or not $X$ being well orderable implies that $X \times X$ is well orderable. More formally my question is the ...
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Does there exist an infinite set admitting precisely four linear orders?

I am studying a course on ZF Set Theory where I encountered the following question: Does there exist a set admitting precisely four linear orders? Since any set with $n$ elements exhibits $n!$ ...
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Is the set of all linear orders on $\mathbb{N}$ linearly orderable?

In studying the issue of linear orders and well ordering in the context of ZF Set Theory (without the Axiom of Choice), I have recently been thinking about the following question: Is the set of all ...
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Induction principle on well ordered set

I'm new and very grateful this site exists. If I do something wrong, feel free to tell me. I have to prove the following: Let $S$ be a subset of a well ordered set $L$ with the conditions: a) $0_L \in ...
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Well Ordering Principle Proof without mathematical induction with different approach

Denote $\Bbb Z_0$ be the set of all non-negative integers. Well Ordering Principle for $\Bbb Z_0$. Every non-empty subset $S$ of $\Bbb Z_0$ has a least element; that is, there exists $m \in S$ such ...
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