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What is the point of knowing symmetries, conservation quantities of a system?

I think this kind of question has been asked, but i couldn’t find it. Well i have already know things like symmetries, conserved quantities and Noether’s theorem, as well as their role in particle ...
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Does the Hamiltonian formalism yield more Noether charges than the Lagrangian formalism?

In Lagrangian formalism, we consider point transformations $Q_i=Q_i(q,t)$ because the Euler-Lagrange equation is covariant only under these transformations. Point transformations do not explicitly ...
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Doubt Regarding Noether's theorem for time-dependent systems

I'm having problems showing Noether's theorem when the lagrangian is time dependent. I'm trying to do it not using infinitesimal transformations from the beginning, but continuous transformations of a ...
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Some doubts about action symmetry

We know that Symmetry of the Lagrangian ($\delta L = 0$) always yields some conservation law. Now, if $\delta L \neq 0$, that doesn't mean we won't have conservation law, because if we can show action ...
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In a simple case of a particle in a uniform gravitational field, do we have translation invariance or not?

Consider a system where a particle is placed in a uniform gravitational field $\vec{F} = -mg\,\vec{e}_{z}$. The dynamics of this are clearly invariant under translations. When we take $z\rightarrow z+...
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Analytical mechanics: Noether charge as a generator with variating fields to time direction [duplicate]

Summary I want to clarify how can I prove the fact that "the Noether charge generates the corresponding transformation" when the infinitesimal transformation of the fields contain the ...
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Geometrical intuition for Noether's Theorem

I have been reading some questions about the relation between Noether's Theorem and Lie Algebras and I wanted to get some intuition on it, but I didn't find what I really wanted. Also, the majority of ...
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Noether's Theorem in non-conservative systems

In most books on classical mechanics, Noether's Theorem is only formulated in conservative systems with an action principle. Therefore I was wondering if it is possible to also do that in non-...
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Intuition behind the definition of Continuous Symmetry of a Lagrangian (Proof of Noether's Theorem)

Suppose there is a one-parameter family of continuous transformations that maps co-ordinates $q(t)\rightarrow Q(s,t)$ where the $s$ is the continuous parameter. Also, for when $s=0$ the transformation ...
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How did Noether use the total time derivation to get her conservation of energy? [duplicate]

I was informed by @hft that by combining the total time derivation: $$\frac{dL}{dt} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial x}\dot{x} + \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}}\ddot{x} + \frac{\partial L}{\partial t}$...
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Conservation theorem for cyclic coordinates in the Lagrangian

Suppose $q_1,q_2,...,q_j,..,q_n$ are the generalized coordinates of a system. $q_j$ is not there in the Lagrangian (it is cyclic). Then $\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot q_j}=constant$ In Goldstein, it ...
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Lagrangian first integral

I want to extremize $$\int dt \frac{\sqrt{\dot x ^2 + \dot y ^2}}{y}.$$ I have thought that, since the Lagrangian $L(y, \dot y, \dot x)$ is $t$ dependent only implicitly, that i could use the fact ...
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Noether‘s theorem: Why can function be dependent of $\dot{q}$?

We define a continuous symmetry in Lagrangian mechanics as follows: $$\delta L\overset{!}{=}\epsilon\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} f(q,\dot{q}, t)$$ Where $\epsilon\in\mathbb{R}$ is a parameter in ...
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Symmetry of a time-dependent Lagrangian

How do I get the group of symmetries and the constant of motion of $L=\frac{\dot{x}^2}{2}m+V(x+ct)$ where c is a constant? When I tried to solve it, it was to look for shifts in $x$ and $ct$ under ...
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Newtonian vs Lagrangian symmetry

Suppose we have a ball of mass $m$ in the Earth's gravitational field ($g=const.$). Equation of motion reads as: $$ ma = -mg $$ From here we can conclude that we have translational symmetry of the ...
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