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Why is Noether's theorem important?

I am just starting to wrap my head around analytical mechanics, so this question might sound weird or trivial to some of you. In class I have been introduced to Noether's theorem, which states that ...
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Noether Theorem and Energy conservation in classical mechanics

I have a problem deriving the conservation of energy from time translation invariance. The invariance of the Lagrangian under infinitesimal time displacements $t \rightarrow t' = t + \epsilon$ can be ...
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Invariance of Lagrangian in Noether's theorem

Often in textbooks Noether's theorem is stated with the assumption that the Lagrangian needs to be invariant $\delta L=0$. However, given a lagrangian $L$, we know that the Lagrangians $\alpha L$ (...
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Noether's theorem and time-dependent Lagrangians

Noether's theorem says that if the following transformation is a symmetry of the Lagrangian $$t \to t + \epsilon T$$ $$q \to q + \epsilon Q.$$ Then the following quantity is conserved $$\left( \...
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How general are Noether's theorem in classical mechanics?

I'm going through the derivations of Noether's theorems and I have several criticisms as to how they are presented in popular sources (note that I'm only referring to classical mechanics here and not ...
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Noether's theorem for space translational symmetry

Imagine a ramp potential of the form $U(x) = a*x + b$ in 1D space. This corresponds to a constant force field over $x$. If I do a classical mechanics experiment with a particle, the particle behaves ...
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Explicit time dependence of the Lagrangian and Energy Conservation

Why is energy (or in more general terms,the Hamiltonian) not conserved when the Lagrangian has an explicit time dependence? I know that we can derive the identity: $\frac{d \mathcal{H}}{d t} = - {\...
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Constants of motion from a Lagrangian

If I have a Lagrangian (made up equation in this case): $$L = \frac{1}{2}mr^2\dot\theta + \frac{1}{4}mg\ddot\theta \, ,$$ can I immediately conclude that the total energy is constant because $\...
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Proving Noether's theorem in classical mechanics

I'm trying to prove Noether's theorem in the context of (point-particle) classical mechanics, however, I'm a bit unsure on a few things. To keep things as simple as possible I'm only considering the ...
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Intuition behind the definition of Continuous Symmetry of a Lagrangian (Proof of Noether's Theorem)

Suppose there is a one-parameter family of continuous transformations that maps co-ordinates $q(t)\rightarrow Q(s,t)$ where the $s$ is the continuous parameter. Also, for when $s=0$ the transformation ...
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Does the Hamiltonian formalism yield more Noether charges than the Lagrangian formalism?

In Lagrangian formalism, we consider point transformations $Q_i=Q_i(q,t)$ because the Euler-Lagrange equation is covariant only under these transformations. Point transformations do not explicitly ...
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Is there an "invariant" quantity for the classical Lagrangian?

$$ L = \sum _ { i = 1 } ^ { N } \frac { 1 } { 2 } m _ { i } \left| \dot { \vec { x } _ { i } } \right| ^ { 2 } - \sum _ { i < j } V \left( \vec { x } _ { i } - \vec { x } _ { j } \right) $$ This ...
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How do you know if a coordinate is cyclic if its generalized velocity is not present in the Lagrangian?

Goldstein's Classical Mechanics says that a cyclic coordinate is one that doesn't appear in the Lagrangian of the system, even though its generalized velocity may appear in it (emphasis mine). For ...
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Newtonian vs Lagrangian symmetry

Suppose we have a ball of mass $m$ in the Earth's gravitational field ($g=const.$). Equation of motion reads as: $$ ma = -mg $$ From here we can conclude that we have translational symmetry of the ...
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Confusion about symmetry and conservation

I think I am misunderstanding the concept of symmetry in Lagrangian mechanics or maybe I am misunderstanding the content of Noether's theorem. Let me elaborate: Suppose $L(q,\dot q,t)$ is the ...
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