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Proving the trichotomy of order for the natural numbers

Is my proof correct? The trichotomy of order for natural numbers states: Let $a,b$ be natural numbers. Then exactly one of the following statements is true: I. $a < b$ II. $a = b$ III. $a > ...
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To what degree are arbitrary true statements about the natural numbers provable?

Gödel's First Incompleteness Theorem states that if we have a recursive and consistent set of axioms $A$ in $\mathcal{L}_{\text{NT}}$, then there is a true first order statement about natural numbers $...
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Axiomatizing a "bounded" companion to PA

There's nothing special about PA here, I'm just focusing on it since it's strong enough to ignore lots of minor technical issues around foundations. If switching to some other theory would yield a ...
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Can ZFC decide more values of the Busy Beaver function than PA?

This is related to a previous question. In that question, I asked whether ZFC can define the Busy Beaver function. I was told even Peano Arithmetic(PA) can define it, and also that PA can't decide ...
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Independence of First-Order Peano Axioms

In class was given these 7 (first-order) axioms of Peano arithmetic (the + denotes successor): NT1 $\quad(\forall x) \neg\left(x^{+}=\overline{0}\right)$ NT2 $\quad(\forall x)(\forall y)\left(x^{+}=y^...
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There are no loops in a Peano system. I've attempted a proof. Is my proof correct?

Definition (Peano systems). Suppose $P$ is a set, $1 \in P$, and $S: P \to P$ is a function. The triple $(P, S, 1)$ is a Peano system if the following conditions hold. (P1) $\forall x (1 \neq S(x))$, ...
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Is there a least standard model of Peano Arithmetics?

Here's the informal part: I'm trying to get a better intuition about the differences between the standard model and the non-standard ones. Some people seem to be really good at imagining what non-...
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Peter Smith's Hilbertian argument

Peter Smith in "An Introduction to Gödel's Theorems" presents a broadly Hilbertian argument (in the sense of Hilbert's program) on page 276 (2nd edition): Theorem 37.2 If $I$ is consistent ...
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Every provably recursive function in PA is bounded by a Hardy function

The following lemma and proof are from Takeuti's Proof Theory (2nd edition, pp. 126-127), I've highlighted the problematic part in blue: How does Takeuti get this inequality? If the proof $x$ is not ...
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Characterization of provably recursive functions in PA

This concerns Takeuti's Proof Theory: the book contains a lot of wonderful material, but the presentation is sometimes lacking (and so many typos!). At least that has been my experience so far, ...
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Algebraically Constructing the Natural Numbers Using a Binary Operation Satisfying Some Properties

Here is the proposed theory: Definition: Let $M$ be a nonempty set with a binary operation $+$ satisfying the following properties: P-0: The operation $+: M \times M \to M$ is both associative and ...
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Can bounded addition and multiplication be computable in a non-standard model of arithmetic?

Let $M = (N, \oplus, \otimes, <_M, 0_M, 1_M)$ be a nonstandard model of peano arithmetic. $\oplus$ and $\otimes$ are uncomputable due to Tennenbaum's theorem. For $c \in N$, let $\oplus_{<c}, \...
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Is there a weak set theory that can prove that the natural numbers is a model of PA?

$ZFC$ proves that $\mathbb N$ is a model of $PA$. Even $ZF$ does. How weak can go? In particular, is there some weak set theory that proves that $\mathbb N$ is a model of $PA$, but does not proof ...
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Show that there are only $\aleph_0$ many countable models of the following theory.

Consider a language $L$ with $<0,1,S>$, where $S$ is the successor function. Show that there are only $\aleph_0$ many countable models of Th$(\mathbb{N})$, under $L$. This is one of the ...
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Proving there is a unique binary operation we call multiplication

The following is a theorem from the book The Real Numbers and Real Analysis by Bloch which I am currently self-studying. I am pretty sure my proof for uniqueness is correct, but I am wondering is ...
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