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EDIT: I have tried to rephrase the problem, title, and context to my solution

I am wondering about expanding a problem I have to the continuous domain. The problem is defined as such:

Problem

Given $N$ disks confined to a 2 dimensional domain $D$. Each disk has a center of mass, and will randomly walk each step. Physically, this can be modelled using a random variable $R$, which defined the step magnitude, and $\Theta$, the step angle. The center of mass is defined as it's position in space. This is necessary in context in the field of particle tracking, or object localization.

Note that the 2D domain is treated as a projection, such as that of a telescope, or a camera. In this case, depth doesn't really matter as the volume of the confinement is small, but overlap is free to occur.

One issue when facing such disks is counting them, or knowing how many total disks exists in the region. Being able to count these disks is typically a task of particle tracking. In confinement, the exploration area, or set of possible locations that the disk can uptake is physically limited. This problem is asking about how this limit is related with measurable values.

Thus, given $N$ disks, randomly walking (diffusing) in time steps $\Delta t$, with magnitude and angle $R, \Theta$, what is the probability that $k$ of these disks are overlapping? Define an overlap event as two disks $epsilon$ distance from each other. This scales as $k$ overlaps if all disks have a separation of at least $epsilon$

In other words, how often, given a set of measured centre of masses (or particle detection), will there be a detection where two of the disks are overlapping.

Attempt

I have tried to do this in course-grained model for a simple set of points on a lattice. I am having trouble seeing how to make these problems bodies, but, here is the solution I calculated for the very discrete case.

The probability of a total overlap is simply the number of ways to orient $N-l$ particles, divided by the total positions of the $N$ particles:

The logic behind this is that the area can be treated as a set of sites where particles can occupy space. Thus, by segmenting $D$, the problem is restated in terms of combinatorics.

$$\mathbb{P(overlap)} = \frac{\sum_{k=1}^{N-1} \binom{D}{k}}{\sum_{l=1}^{N} \binom{D}{l}}$$

This is then expanded using the binomial summation formula:

$$\frac{\sum_{k=1}^{N-1} \binom{D}{k}}{\sum_{l=1}^{N} \binom{D}{l}} = \sum_{k=1}^{N-1} \frac{1}{k!(D-k)!}\sum_{l=1}^{N} l!(D-l)! = \left[\sum_{k=2}^{N}\frac{1}{(k-1)!(D-k+1)!} \right]\left[(D-1)!+\sum_{l=2}^{N}l!(D-l)!\right] $$

This can sort of be transformed to sit right in a semi-analytical form*: $$\frac{\sum_{k=1}^{N-1} \binom{D}{k}}{\sum_{l=1}^{N} \binom{D}{l}} = \frac{\left[\sum_{k=0}^{N} \binom{D}{k}\right] - \binom{D}{0} - \binom{D}{N}}{\left[\sum_{l=0}^{N} \binom{D}{l}\right ]- \binom{D}{0}} \rightarrow \text{lim}_{N\rightarrow D} = \frac{2^D-2}{2^D-1}$$

*: I think I may have made a mistake somewhere in these sums, as my simulations are not agreeing with this.

This formula gives pretty useful information in what I am using it for, however, if possible, a better model is always sought after. Thus, if someone can point me into the right direction for how to improve or continue this problem, I would be very grateful.

attempt 2

One simple way to get this estimate even better is to simulate this, however, although aware of this, this problem has the problem of classifying what an "overlap" is. This makes things non-trivial from the get-go.

In this sense, how can these "classification" problems be attempted? this is not the first time I have encountered such a problem and am not sure how to continue.

Thanks,

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  • $\begingroup$ I think this problem makes clear sense to you with your physics background, but it does not make sense to me. Can you edit to describe the mathematical model you are using? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 25 at 0:00
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    $\begingroup$ Nothing in the problem really depends on the specific dynamics of the random walk, only the distribution that the particles will have. Assuming that in the long term they have an approximately uniform distribution (is this true? I do not know), then we can turn our attention to the problem of determining the probability that 2 particles overlap. Though, I am a bit uncertain of your intention: when you say k particles are overlapping, do you want them all to overlap together, so there is some single point of intersection, or do you just mean that there are fewer than $N-k$ non-touching ones? $\endgroup$
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  • $\begingroup$ This might be posed as: Suppose we allow $N$ points to 'move randomly' throughout a given domain. Given $\epsilon>0$, what is the probability that there exists a point within the domain which is within $\epsilon$ of $k$ of these points? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 28 at 4:26
  • $\begingroup$ @Aaron Good insight. I think, that you are right that this problem can be posed as just two uniform distributions. I do want to say that it can also be posed as a conditional probability. Ie, the walk gives the positional probability $p(r_n\lvert r_{n-1})$. Hence, if the particle step magnitude is not very large, the probability of overlap given that they are far away would be small, as opposed if they are very close together.I think treating it as two independent probability distributions is a good start. For $k$ overlapping disks, i mean that there are $N-k$ not-overlapping as you wrote. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 28 at 4:36
  • $\begingroup$ @Semiclassical I think this is a way to phrase it. I'll reiterate so that maybe i'm on the same page. Given $\epsilon > 0$, what is the probability there exists $k$ points $\epsilon$ apart. Then, $\epsilon$ defined a cut-off distance of the overlap, for example, half of the diameter. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 28 at 4:40

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