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Help with understanding virtual displacement in Lagrangian

I know that these screen shots are not nice but I have a simple question buried in a lot of information My question Why can't we just repeat what they did with equation (7.132) to equation (7.140) ...
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Why is derivative of Lagrangian with respect to generalized position and velocity equal to this?

I'm currently studying Lagrangian mechanics, and in the process, I've met the following equations in a couple of proofs. $$ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial q_i} = \dot p_i $$ $$ \frac{\partial \...
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Conjugate momentum vs translation generator with non-standard kinetic term

I am reading this paper and for equation (2.5) (associated with the Lagrangian in eq 2.1) there is the claim that for a Lagrangian $L(\varphi,A,\dot{\varphi},\dot{A})$ containing an extra non-standard ...
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Axiomatising classical mechanics to arrive at the principle of stationary action - what are the fundamental definitions of momentum, etc.?

$\newcommand{\d}{\mathrm{d}}\newcommand{\l}{\mathcal{L}}$Throughout all my study of physics, it has never been clear what is a definition, what is an axiom, what is a law and what is a proof in ...
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Intuitive explanation on why velocity = 0 for a inverted pendulum on a wheel system

I believe I have solved below problem. I am not looking for help on problem-solving per se. I am just looking for an intuitive explanation. Problem statement: wheel mass = $m_1$, even mass rod BC mass ...
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Geometric meaning of conjugate momentum

Let's say I have a free particle moving in an $n$-dimensional Manifold $M$. There is a tangent space $TM$ associated with all possible infinitesimal motions of a particle at each point in this ...
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How to derive the fact that $p\sim d/dx$ and $H\sim d/dt$ from classical mechanics?

I am trying to understand Noether's conserved quantities to shifts in time and or position. I have seen the derivation of the operators for Schrodinger's equation but not for classical mechanics. Is ...
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Lagrangian and Friction

How does lagrangian mechanics explain loss of momentum conservation in presence of friction? My try is this: The lagrange equation would then include a generalized force term $Q_i$: $$\frac{d}{dt}\...
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Conjugate momentum notation

I was reading Peter Mann's Lagrangian & Hamiltonian Dynamics, and I found this equation (page 115): $$p_i := \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}^i}$$ where L is the Lagrangian. I understand this is ...
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Gauge ivariance and canonical versus kinetic momenta for a charged particle in an EM field

I all, I am struggling to grasp the notion of gauge invariant when talking about an object like the canonical momenta $\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}_i}$ or kinetic momenta $m\dot{q}_i$. I am very ...
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Reducing the degrees of freedom of a Lagrangian in a spherical potential by using integrals of motion [duplicate]

I'm sure I've made a silly mistake here, so I would be very grateful if someone could help me clear it up! Here is my reasoning: The Lagrangian in a spherical potential is $$ \mathcal{L}=\frac{m\...
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Does the conservation of $\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{q}_i}$ necessarily require $q_i$ to be cyclic?

If a generalized coordinate $q_i$ is cyclic, the conjugate momentum $p_i=\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{q}_i}$ is conserved. Is the converse also true? To state more explicitly, if a conjugate ...
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Difference between kinematic momentum and conjugated momentum in purely mechanical setup

I don't know much about physics, but I wanted to understand what was the difference between the "kinematic momentum" and the conjugated momentum. As I understand it, kinematic momentum is mass times ...
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Ambiguity in d'Alembert's principle

It seems to me that many different momenta $\dot{\bf p}_j $ can satisfy d'Alembert's principle: $$\tag{1} \sum_{j=1}^N ( {\bf F}_j^{(a)} - \dot{\bf p}_j ) \cdot \delta {\bf r}_j~=~0 $$ in a ...
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Defining generalized momentum in terms of kinetic energy versus a Lagrangian

Reputable authors (e.g., Bergmann, Wells, Susskind) define generalized momentum using the Lagrangian $L$ as $$p_{i}\equiv\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{q}^{i}}.\tag{1}$$ Joos and Freeman define ...
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