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I know that these screen shots are not nice but I have a simple question buried in a lot of information

My question

Why can't we just repeat what they did with equation (7.132) to equation (7.140) with the same logic?.

Cant we just get rid if the term with $\delta \dot{x_i}$ in equation (7.140) by showing again that $\frac{d}{dt} \delta x_i = 0?$

Second question

as shown in the picture below(the curve is of $y = x +\alpha sin(x)$), at the end points ,$0$ and $2\pi$ of the variation of y, $\ \alpha sin(x) = 0$ but if we to do a translation like $\delta x_i$ as they suggest in the build up of "conservation of linear momentum" wouldn't it be a raise on the $x_i$ axis vs time and thus end points of the 'variation of the path in $x_i$ ' never equate to $0$?

to be honest I have no idea really what is going on and hope that someone could shed some light on this

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  • $\begingroup$ Which book? Which page? $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented May 11, 2022 at 12:19
  • $\begingroup$ @Qmechanic the book Classical Dynamics Of Particles And Systems by Stephen T. Thornton Link: eacpe.org/app/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/… the page is 261 $\endgroup$
    – Reuben
    Commented May 11, 2022 at 12:31

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Before answering the 2 questions I would like to provide some background.

Notes

As the Lagrangian is the function $L(x_i,\dot{x}_i)$, which is the function of 2 variables $x_i,\dot{x}_i$. Thus the partial derivative expansion is \begin{equation}\tag{1}\label{eqn:1} \delta L = \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_i + \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{x}_i}\delta\dot{x}_i \end{equation}

where $\delta$ represents infinitestimal change. This reads as, "the change in $L$ caused by the infinitestimal change in position: $\delta x_i$ and infinitestimal change in velocity: $\delta\dot{x}_i$".

Now at first glance we think that $\delta\dot{x}_i$ is the time derivative of $\delta x_i$, but these displacements must be seen as independent changes. This is confusing because of the notation, but $x_i$ and $\dot{x}_i$ are explicit variables in $L$ and because of partial derivatives, $L$ doesn't know how the connection between $x_i$ and $\dot{x}_i$ and treats them as independent.

Example, let \begin{equation} L = x +3\dot{x}\\ \delta L = 1\cdot\delta x + 3\cdot\delta\dot{x} \end{equation} renaming the variables shows that it is treated simply as variables: \begin{equation} L = x +3y\\ \delta L = 1\cdot\delta x + 3\cdot\delta y \end{equation}

It is only when we introduce \begin{equation}\tag{2}\label{eqn:2} \delta\dot{x}_i = \delta\frac{dx_i}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\delta x_i \end{equation} is $\delta\dot{x}_i$ the time derivative of $\delta x_i$.

Now for Eq: ($\ref{eqn:1}$) we can't independently change $\delta\dot{x}_i$ because we know that $\delta\dot{x}_i$ the time derivative of $\delta x_i$, and by changing one of these variables will change the other to maintain the relation Eq:($\ref{eqn:2}$)

So now $\delta L$ actually has a condition, so we can rename it to keep track of it: $\delta L_{\varepsilon}$, simily $\dot{x}_{i\varepsilon}$ for $\dot{x}_{i}$ hence:

\begin{equation}\tag{3}\label{eqn:3} \delta L_{\varepsilon} = \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_{i} + \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{x}_i}\delta\dot{x}_{i\varepsilon} \end{equation}

Now in the question, they use the fact that under translation of the entire system, $\delta L = 0$. So considering only varied displacement, we would initially get \begin{equation}\tag{4}\label{eqn:4} \begin{aligned} \delta L &= \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_i + \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{x}_i}\cdot 0\\ &= \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_i\\ &= 0 \end{aligned} \end{equation} where $\delta\dot{x}_i = 0$, as we not varing this. But because we want the $\delta$ with the condition, thus

\begin{equation}\tag{5}\label{eqn:5} \delta L_{\varepsilon} = \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_{i} + \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{x}_i}\delta\dot{x}_{i\varepsilon} = 0 \end{equation}

and because $\delta x_{i}$ is not explicitly or implicitly a function of time(we are not doing variation caculus here, so $\delta x$ is not defined as $\delta x = \frac{\partial x}{\partial \alpha}d\alpha = \eta(t)d\alpha$ like in chapter 6), \begin{equation}\tag{6}\label{eqn:6} \delta\dot{x}_{i\varepsilon} = \delta\frac{dx_{i}}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\delta x_{i} = 0 \end{equation}

hence

\begin{equation}\tag{7}\label{eqn:7} \begin{aligned} \delta L_{\varepsilon} &= \sum_i\frac{\partial L}{\partial x_i}\delta x_{i} = 0\\ &= \delta L \end{aligned} \end{equation}

which turns outthe same if considering only varied displacement.

Answer to question 1

They did actually repeat the same logic here. for Eq:(7.140) they were working with an infinitestimal change in angle $\delta \theta$, where

\begin{equation}\tag{8}\label{eqn:8} \delta \textbf{r} = \delta \boldsymbol{\theta} \times \textbf{r} \end{equation}

and the time derivative is: \begin{equation} \begin{aligned} \frac{d}{dt}\left(\delta \textbf{r}\right) &= \frac{d}{dt}\left(\delta \boldsymbol{\theta}\right) \times \textbf{r} + \delta \boldsymbol{\theta} \times \frac{d}{dt}\left(\textbf{r}\right)\\ &= 0\times \textbf{r} + \delta \boldsymbol{\theta} \times\dot{\textbf{r}}\\ &= \delta \boldsymbol{\theta} \times\dot{\textbf{r}} \end{aligned} \end{equation}

Thus this is the same logic applied for Eq:(7.132) where $\delta \theta$ is not explicitly or implicitly a function of time.

Answer to question 2

First we can define $x(t,\alpha) = x(t) + \alpha\eta(t)$.

A displacement in the system leads to $x(t,\alpha) = x(t) + \alpha\eta(t) + \delta x$. Thus the variation $\eta(t)$ is still unaffected and equate to $0$ at the end points.

For $\delta L$, depending on how it modeled, it may or may not change during the $\delta x$ shift

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