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How to explain the independence of coordinates from physics aspect and mathmetics aspect?

When I was studying Classical Mechanics, particularly Lagrangian formulation and Hamiltonian formulation. I always wondering how to understand the meaning of independence of parameters used of ...
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How can you immediately check if a lagrangian contains a cyclic coordinate, regardless of coordinate system choice? [duplicate]

If we look at a simple cannonsball that gets shot out we quickly see the cyclic coordinate in the Lagrangian: $$L=\frac{1}{2}m{\dot{x}}^2+\frac{1}{2}m{\dot{y}}^2-mgy$$ Since the coordinate $x$ isn't ...
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Canonical equations of motion

The Hamiltonian is obtained as the Legendre transform of the Lagrangian: \begin{equation} H(q,p,t)=\sum_i p_i \dot{q_i} - L(q,\dot{q},t)\tag{1} \end{equation} If the Hamiltonian is expressed in ...
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Hamiltonian conservation in different sets of generalized coordinates

In Goldstein, it says that the Hamiltonian is dependent, in functional form and magnitude, on the chosen set of generalized coordinates. In one set it might be conserved, but in another it might not. ...
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Forces of constraint and Lagrangian in a half Atwood Machine with a real pulley

I was thinking about this problem and had some trouble about the constraint equation.It's just a pulley with mass and moment of inercia $I$ that is atached to two blocks, just like in the picture. And ...
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Choosing coordinates to solve problems using Lagrangian mechanics

I am trying to obtain the equations of motion using the euler-lagrange equation. First, let $x$ be the distance of disc R from the wall. Let $y_p$ and $y_q$ be the distance of disc P and disc Q from ...
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What is the derivative of $z$ with respect to $\dot z$? [duplicate]

Let's say the lagrange function of my system is $L = T(z,\dot z) - m g z$ and I want to determine the equations of motion. Why is $\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot z} = \frac{\partial T(z, \dot z) }{\...
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Why introduce Lagrange multipliers? [duplicate]

For a non-relativistic particle of mass $m$ with a conservative force with potential $U$ acting on the particle and a holonomic constraint given by $f(\mathbf{r},t)=0$, the system can be incorporated ...
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How to define $p$ and $q$ in Hamiltonian system?

In Lagrangian mechanics, once we define $q$ which is about the position, then we automatically get $\dot q$ such that the data $(q,\dot q)$ uniquely determines the state of the system. But in ...
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Lagrangian energy equation with a nonholonomic constraint?

Problem 6.8 on p. 39 in David Morin's The Lagrangian Method gives a stick pivoted at the origin and rotating around the pivot with constant angular velocity $\dot{\alpha}$ (which is given as $\omega$ ...
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Calculating the Generalized force with and without the lagrangian

In my mechanics class, I learned that the components of the generalized force, $Q_i$, could be calculated using: $$\begin{equation}\tag{1}Q_i = \sum_j \frac{\partial \mathbf{r}_j}{\partial q_i}\cdot \...
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Deriving Lagrange equation with constraint

I'm having a hard time understanding the derivation of Lagrange equation from Newton's law when there is constraint (I'm ok with the basic case where there is only kinetic energy and potential ...
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Choosing coordinates in Lagrangian Mechanics

Consider the problem of a hoop rolling down an inclined plane, with the plane sliding (frictionless) in a horizontal motion. I don't know how to choose the generalized coordinates for this system. In ...
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What is the geometric interpretation of a general 'state space' in classical mechanics?

Let $\pmb{q}\in\mathbb{R}^n$ be some n generalized coordinates for the system (say, a double pendulum). Then the 'state space' is often examined using either the 'Lagrangian variables', $(\pmb{q},\dot{...
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Is there always a transformation between canonical variables?

Let us suppose that a for a given monogenic and holonomic system we can construct two different collection of canonical variables $\{\underline{q}, \underline{p}\}$ and $\{\underline{Q}, \underline{P}\...
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