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Why isn't the Euler-Lagrange equation trivial?

The Euler-Lagrange equation gives the equations of motion of a system with Lagrangian $L$. Let $q^\alpha$ represent the generalized coordinates of a configuration manifold, $t$ represent time. The ...
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What are holonomic and non-holonomic constraints?

I was reading Herbert Goldstein's Classical Mechanics. Its first chapter explains holonomic and non-holonomic constraints, but I still don’t understand the underlying concept. Can anyone explain it to ...
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Lagrange's equation is form invariant under EVERY coordinate transformation. Hamilton's equations are not under EVERY phase space transformation. Why?

When we make an arbitrary invertible, differentiable coordinate transformation $$s_i=s_i(q_1,q_2,...q_n,t),\forall i,$$ the Lagrange's equation in terms of old coordinates $$\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\...
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Equations of motion only have a solution for very specific initial conditions

An exercise made me consider the following Lagrangian $$L = \dot{x}_1^2+\dot{x}_2^2+2 \dot{x}_1 \dot{x}_2 + x_1^2+x_2^2.\tag{1}$$ If I didn't make a mistake the equations of motion should be given by: ...
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Finding generalized coordinates when the implicit function theorem fails

Given some coordinates $(x_1,\dots, x_N)$ and $h$ holonomic constraints, it should always be possible to reduce the coordinates to $n=N-h$ generalized coordinates $(q_1,\dots, q_n)$. This is ...
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Why do we use the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian instead of other related functions?

There are 4 main functions in mechanics. $L(q,\dot{q},t)$, $H(p,q,t)$, $K(\dot{p},\dot{q},t)$, $G(p,\dot{p},t)$. First two are Lagrangian and Hamiltonian. Second two are some kind of analogical to ...
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Why are coordinates and velocities sufficient to completely determine the state and determine the subsequent motion of a mechanical system?

I am a Physics undergraduate, so provide references with your responses. Landau & Lifshitz write in page one of their mechanics textbook: If all the co-ordinates and velocities are ...
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Point of Lagrange multipliers

I am trying to understand how for a constrained system the introduction of Lagrange multipliers facilitates the incorporation of the holonomic constraints. I am using Classical Mechanics by John ...
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Covariance of Euler-Lagrange equations under change of generalized coordinates

Suppose I have an inertial frame with coordinate $\{q\}$. Now I define another reference frame with coordinate $\{q'(q,\dot q,t)\}$. I obtain the equation of motion in $\{q'\}$ in two different ways: ...
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Why is this a non-holonomic constraint?

Wikipedia states: holonomic constraints are relations between the position variables (and possibly time1) which can be expressed in the following form: $$f(q_{1},q_{2},q_{3},\ldots ,q_{n},t)=0$$ ...
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Centrifugal Force and Polar Coordinates

In Classical Mechanics, both Goldstein and Taylor (authors of different books with the same title) talk about the centrifugal force term when solving the Euler-Lagrange equation for the two body ...
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Do generalized coordinates have to be orthogonal?

I've been picking up concepts on mechanics from online posts and Wikipedia pages, so please forgive my limited understanding. I'm currently trying to figure out whether it's okay to choose an ...
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How do you derive Lagrange's equation of motion from a Routhian?

Given a Routhian $R(r,\dot{r},\phi,p_{\phi})$, how do you derive Lagrange's equation for $r$? Do you just solve the following for $r$? $$\frac{d}{dt}\frac{∂R}{∂\dot{r}}-\frac{∂R}{∂r}=0.$$ And as a ...
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Generalized vs curvilinear coordinates

I am taking the course "Analytical Mechanics" (from on will be called "AM") this semester. In our first lecture, my professor introduced the notion of generalized coordinates. As ...
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Lagrangian of a 2D double pendulum system with a spring

In the figure above (please excuse my Picasso drawing skills), we have the general 2D double pendulum system with a slight modification, there's a spring connecting the masses instead of the usual ...
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