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Is it true that an electric current that flows through a conductor creates a magnetic field around the conductor?

If yes, then why doesn't the magnetic sensor of my mobile device react in any way to changes when I bring the device near to the wire connected to 220 V electricity at home?

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There are two wires, the second wire carries the equal (!) return current. The magnetic fields from the two wires cancel out, except at very short distance. For measuring the current from the field you must clamp only one of the wires.

The field at a distance can be further reduced by twisting the wires ("twisted pair") or by adopting a coaxial structure ("shielding"). There you have one of the first principles of electromagnetic compatibility: the magnetic field is proportional to the area of the current loop. Two wires close together don't form much of a loop, and that is why UTP ethernet works so well.

On the other hand, if you deliberately make a large loop, say a few windings around your living room, and you feed an audio current through it, then a hearing aid in the "telephone" mode will easily pick up the audio signal. Every auditorium or theater has this service, for the hard of hearing.

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    $\begingroup$ +1 just for telling me how the hearing aid loops work. That is SO cool! $\endgroup$
    – MD-Tech
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 9:51
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    $\begingroup$ @TurkhanBadalov Wires connect speakers to amps. Those wires carry current modulated with the audio signal. $\endgroup$
    – Yakk
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 15:10
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    $\begingroup$ Also, if you put earbuds in your ears and walk through security sensors (those things in libraries and stores that are used to detect when someone walks out with something without checking it out), you will often hear a buzzing sound. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 15:19
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    $\begingroup$ This could be dangerous if you do it wrong, so don't try this at home. If one were to find a lamp cord with two parallel wires that can be easily split apart for a few inches, and the field sensor was placed between the wires, one would probably detect something. I've never done this but it would probably work. $\endgroup$
    – Steve
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 0:43
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    $\begingroup$ Don't mix the 220v or 120v or anything over 60v with the audio, or anything else. Just don't mess with anything above 60v, until you have very high understanding, and know the safety procedures. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 10:05
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I can see 2 possible reasons why your phone does not detect a magnetic field.

First, a magnetic field is generated when current flows. A simple wire carries no current. So, unless the wire is part of an active circuit (e.g. a lamp that is turned on) there will be no magnetic field.

Even if there is a current flowing, it will be a 50 Hz current, so the current and the magnetic field reverse 50 times per second. That is probably too fast for your phone to detect.

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    $\begingroup$ The house power is AC, which means the polarity (and current) flip positive and negative 50 times per second, and so does the magnetic field. $\endgroup$
    – hdhondt
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 1:56
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    $\begingroup$ @TurkhanBadalov Additionally, you're measuring two wires at the same time - when one is at maximum voltage, the other is at minimum (negative). They don't quite cancel out, but it's still very different from a single DC wire. $\endgroup$
    – Luaan
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 7:16
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    $\begingroup$ @Luaan Current not voltage is what creates the magnetic field. $\endgroup$
    – Džuris
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 14:53
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    $\begingroup$ @Steve Yes, but the magnetic sensors in phones are for use in applications like a compass, which are essentially DC. $\endgroup$
    – hdhondt
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 3:55
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    $\begingroup$ I wouldn't be surprised if the sensors in phones were specifically filtered to remove 50/60 Hz power line interference and aliasing, much like the cameras remove AC power flicker. $\endgroup$
    – user71659
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 19:16
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There are a number of reasons as to why you have been unable to detect the magnetic field due to a mains cable carrying current.

First of all it might help to be conversant with some of the characteristic and position of the magnetometer in a smartphone.

A typical smartphone magnetometer sensor is based on the hall effect and has a range of about $\pm 5 \,\rm mT$ with a sample rate which can be varied between about $8$ samples per second and $100$ samples per second.

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If you have tried to detect the magnetic field to to a mains current directly then you have to realise that you are competing with other (stronger) static magnetic fields which are present including the Earth's magnetic field.
This is a typical display and placing the main cable close to the phone may well not change the net magnetic field direction by a noticeable amount.
The magnetic field you are trying to detect is varying at $50\,\rm Hz$.

A step forward would be to get an app which increases the sensitivity of the displayed magnetic field.
The one which I have used is Sensor Kinetics which is available for both the iOS devices and Android devices.
The opening display might look like this noting that I have eliminated the displays for the other sensors which are contained within a smartphone.

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This display shows one of the problems with the detection of the fluctuating mains magnetic field at $50\,\rm Hz$ - the sample rate of $38 \,\rm Hz$.
However the x,y and z-components of the magnetic field are displayed to a reasonable sensitivity.

Although you can use this screen activating the time varing screen (top right hand icon) will produce a screen with the magnetic field as a function of time.

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Using this screen and a jeweler's (small) screwdriver (do not use a permanent magnet) you can locate the position of the magnetometer watching the display whilst moving the screwdriver around the screen
Mine seemed to be top left of the phone.

The act of putting a mains cable which is carrying no current will disturb the magnetometer reading before settling down.

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Switching on the current (to an electric kettle) shows the effect you were looking for.

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The variation of magnetic field is not shown a being at $50 \,\rm Hz$ because the sample rate is not great enough.

So you are trying to detect a magnetic field which is varying at $50 \,\rm Hz$ and is actually smaller than one might suspect in that the detected field is due to two currents which are travelling in opposite directions through the live wire and the neutral wire so their magnetic field almost cancel each other out.

Just detecting the magnetic field from only the live wire carrying an alternating current should produce a larger effect.
Perhaps it would be safer to investigate the field due to a current driven by a lower voltage eg from an unrectified and/or unsmoothed low voltage power supply?

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    $\begingroup$ With a sample rate of 38 Hz, we should expect the 50 Hz field to be aliased to 50-38 = 12 Hz. Yet this display shows a frequency of approximately 0.3 Hz. Perhaps the graph is showing only 1 in N samples? $\endgroup$
    – Phil Frost
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 19:16
  • $\begingroup$ @PhilFrost I am in the process of trying to find out what is going on. The sample rate is not to be fixed at 38 Hz, rather it fluctuates mainly between 35 and 45 Hz. I am also using another magnetometer app which allows on to fix the sample rate. vieyrasoftware.net/physics-toolbox-sensor-suite $\endgroup$
    – Farcher
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    $\begingroup$ @PhilFrost The magnetometer may be specifically filtered for 50/60 Hz to prevent the interference you describe. For its intended purpose, navigation, that would be desirable. $\endgroup$
    – user71659
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 19:18
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Is it true that an electric current that flows through a conductor creates a magnetic field around the conductor?

Yes. Indeed, if that were not the case, the millions of clamp ammeters (like these) sold would be useless.

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then why the magnetic sensor of my mobile device doesn't react in any way to change

Notice the construction of the clamp ammeter and, in particular, the fact that jaws must enclose just one of the current carrying wires.

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    $\begingroup$ A relatively recent development was a multi-conductor clamp meter with several sensor coils around the jaws of the clamp. This could be clamped around standard two- or three-conductor single-phase cables to provide a readout of the current flowing through the load, with no need to separate the conductors. $\endgroup$
    – Farcher
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 9:40
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    $\begingroup$ "the millions of clamp ammeters (like these) sold would be useless." Nit-pick: just because something has been sold in millions doesn't mean it's useful, or even works in the slightest. So that's not really a valid argument. $\endgroup$
    – Arthur
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 8:59
  • $\begingroup$ We'd also get free electricity since power meters wouldn't work. $\endgroup$
    – user71659
    Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 19:21
  • $\begingroup$ @Arthur, what argument are you referring to? I'm not sure what nit you're picking. It's simply a fact that the millions of clamp ammeters sold would be useless (as ammeters) if an electric current through a conductor did not create a magnetic field. If this bothers you or if anyone else mistakes this fact for an argument, I will gladly remove it. Shall I? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 22:49
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    $\begingroup$ The way you have phrased it, it does sound to me like you present it as a reason for why the quoted statement is true. You could answer the question "Is it true that crystals can realign my aura?" entirely analogously, as I'm sure those have sold in millions as well. I just felt it proper to give some caution. But I do agree with the fact. $\endgroup$
    – Arthur
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Yes, it is true that an electric current that flows through a conductor creates a magnetic field around the conductor. This is how all electric motors work, simply by the magnetic effect of currents flowing through conductors. Why is this not visible using your magnetic detector?

First of all, is the wire carrying current, not just voltage? For example is it connected to the washing machine while it's washing or a switched-on vacuum cleaner?

Second, take a look inside a motor, and notice that the wires are wrapped around and around, and often using an iron core to increase the magnetic field. If you loop the wire connected to 220 V electricity around and around, and then switch some item on, you will get a much stronger magnetic field. However please note that can be a little dangerous if you wrap it too many times. It's better to use low voltages for this experiment.

Third, of course I don't know the sensitivity of your detector.

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  • $\begingroup$ Yes, a notebook adapter is connected to it. Is it insignificant load? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 1:51
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    $\begingroup$ Yes, a notebook adapter might not even be charging depending on the state of the battery. Try a vacuum cleaner or a washing machine or something. $\endgroup$
    – Dusty
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 1:56
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    $\begingroup$ I'd use a toaster or bright incandescent light bulb so you can be sure to expect a clean, 50 or 60 Hz sinusoidal current. $\endgroup$
    – Phil Frost
    Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 19:20
  • $\begingroup$ Since the magnetic field increases with the current you want a load as large as the wire can carry. For a standard socket/cord this is about 10A in a 230V area, resulting in about 2 kW power. That's quite a lot of power and is typically only needed for heating purposes. Washing machines while they are heating the water (note that the classical American top loader does not heat at all), electric heaters, quick water cookers. An incandescent light bulb, by contrast, only draws 100 W (0.1 kW) max or 0.5A and 1/20 of the magnetic field. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 29, 2018 at 6:34
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As other answers established, there IS a 50Hz or 60Hz alternating field, though it is usually not very strong due to parallel wires resulting in small loop areas and cancelling.

However, anyone who designs a device that is supposed to be sensitive to magnetic fields knows about this (or will quickly be reminded while testing the prototype), and will implement some kind of lowpass or bandstop filter dealing with interference at 50Hz, 60Hz and the harmonics. In some cases, a slow sensor will in itself act as a lowpass filter, though relying on it can be bad design: If a fast alternating field will not register much on an instrument but can still saturate the sensor or circuitry downwind of it, your measurement will be compromised.

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There are two wires and both carry the current in opposite direction and cancel out each other magnetic field.for detection of field you have to either check it for very short distance or remove one wire

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