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A function $f : \Bbb Z \times \Bbb Z \rightarrow \Bbb Z$ is defined as $f(u,v) = 3u + 6v.$ Is the function surjective? Prove it.

I had the following proof.

Proof
Pick $x = 2$, then $3u + 6v = 2 \Rightarrow 3(u + 2v) = 2$
Let $y = u + 2v$ $\exists y \in \Bbb Z \times \Bbb Z$.
Thus $3y = 2 \Rightarrow y = \frac{2}{3}$.
This is a contradiction because $\frac{2}{3} \not\in \Bbb Z \times \Bbb Z.$
The function is therefore not surjective.

I am a novice at this whole LaTex thing and relatively new to proofs and these surjective proofs are killing me I can't seem to get anything right. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    $\begingroup$ I think your argument is good, but a little roundabout and not written correctly. You can just note that such an integer $u+2v$ cannot exist. No need to call it $y$. $\endgroup$
    – Randall
    Commented May 1 at 1:22
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    $\begingroup$ "Let $y=u+2v$ $\exists y\in \mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$" is nonsense. You can let $y=u+2v$, but then it is an integer, not an element of $\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$. And having the "$\exists y\in\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$" tacked on at the end gives a formula that is not a well-formed formula. "This is a contradiction because $\frac{2}{3}\notin\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$"... yeah, well, that contradiction is to your false assertion that the integer $y$ was in $\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$, so the only contradiction you found was one you introduced. I would have marked this wrong as well. $\endgroup$ Commented May 1 at 1:22
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    $\begingroup$ I get what you tried to do, but what you wrote doesn't work. You are trying to show that $2$ is not in the image. You do so by noting that $f(u,v)$ is a multiple of $3$, which means you would need some pair of integers $(u,v)$ such that $u+2v=\frac{2}{3}$. Which is impossible. But that is, unfortunately, not what you actually wrote. For that matter, it is much easier to note that $f(x,y)$ is always an integer multiple of $3$, so it cannot be equal to $2$, which is not a multiple of $3$. $\endgroup$ Commented May 1 at 1:24
  • $\begingroup$ Dwelling on 2 obscures the main point too, which is that $f(u,v)$ is always a multiple of 3, so all non-multiples of 3 (i.e. 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11,...) are missing from the range of $f$. $\endgroup$
    – Karl
    Commented May 1 at 1:51
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    $\begingroup$ I would say $3 \mid f(u,v)$ for all $u,v \in \mathbb{Z}$. Since $3\not\mid 2$, $f$ cannot be surjective. $\endgroup$
    – copper.hat
    Commented May 1 at 1:54

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You've got the right idea, but the second half is a bit jumbled, mostly because you introduced a lot of unnecessary variables. I'd phrase it this way:

Suppose that there are $u,v\in\mathbb{Z}$ such that $3u+6v=2$. Then $3(u+2v)=2$, so $u+2v=2/3$. This is a contradiction, since $2/3$ is not an integer and the sum of two integers is also an integer.

I'd say that captures the same idea of your proof, but using half the number of variables.

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You have the right idea. But you did not write it properly.

Pick $x=2$, then $3u+6v=2$ implies $3(u+2v)=2$.

So far it is fine. But really you plan to show that $2$ is not in the image/range of the function so you should write in the beginning that "Suppose $f$ is surjective. Let $u$ and $v$ be such that $f(u,v)=2$. Then, ...".

Let $y=u+2v$ $\exists y\in\Bbb Z\times\Bbb Z$.

This does not make sense, since $y$ is supposed to be an integer. You should write: "Then, with $y=u+2v\in\Bbb Z$, we have $3y=2$."

So, $y=2/3\notin\Bbb Z$ a contradiction.

Yeah.


With that said, here is a rephrasing of your proof (sticking to your notation and writing as much):

Suppose $f$ is surjective. Then, let $(u,v)\in\Bbb Z\times\Bbb Z$ be such that $f(u,v)=2$. That means $3u+6v=2$, which implies $3(u+2v)=2$ or $u+2v=2/3$. But $u+2v\in\Bbb Z$ - a contradiction. Therefore, $f$ is not surjective.

Hope this helps. :)

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You should do it without reference to $2/3$.

The idea is right: suppose $2=f(u,v)$, for some $u,v\in\mathbb{Z}$. Then $$ 2=3u+6v=3(u+2v) $$ but this implies that $3$ divides $2$. Contradiction.

Note that saying that $2/3\notin\mathbb{Z}$ is exactly the same as saying that $3$ doesn't divide $2$, so it's not necessary to go beyond integers.

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The image of your map is the ideal $$I:=<3,6>\ \subset \ \mathbb{Z}.$$ Because $6 = 2 \cdot 3$ you have $I=<3>$, the set of integer multiples of $3$. Because $2$ is not an integer multiple of $3$ the map is not surjective.

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