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Arrange the vertices of $K_{13}$ in such a way that they form a regular $13$-gon. Color the edges (which are now either edges or diagonals of the 13-gon) in read and blue, where an edge is colored red if and only if it is either an edge of the $13$-gon or a diagonal such that 4 vertices lie on one of the its sides and 7 vertices on the other side. Use this coloring to show that $R(3,5) \geq 14$. Then use the lemma showing bounds for the Ramsey numbers to prove that $R(3,5) = 14$.

Any ideas? I'm already having difficulty imaging the situation and the problem.

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  • $\begingroup$ @bof I posted the problem as it is stated. So, as long as I understood it asks for a coloring, which as you said is the $R(3,5)\ge14$ part. Then, it somehow asks to use the lemma to to show that $R(3,5) = 14$. $\endgroup$
    – user72151
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 22:44
  • $\begingroup$ Well, the only lemma that we studied is $R(r,s) \leq R(r-1,s) + R(r,s-1)$. It simply doesn't tell which lemma to use, but as I said this is the only one that I found. $\endgroup$
    – user72151
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:27
  • $\begingroup$ Right. Putting $r=3$ and $s=5$ in that lemma gives us the upper bound $R(3,5)\le R(2,5)+R(3,4).$ Do you know the values of $R(2,5)$ and $R(3,4)$? $\endgroup$
    – bof
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:32
  • $\begingroup$ $R(2,5) = 5$, $R(3,4) = 9$, so we have $R(3,5) = 14$, which $R(3,5) \geq 14$ clearly hold. $\endgroup$
    – user72151
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 7:42
  • $\begingroup$ Yeah, I mistyped the direction of the sign. Well, that was my problem to actually transform $K_{13}$ as a regular 13-gon and color it. $\endgroup$
    – user72151
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 11:09

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Using the inequality lemma you have already proved that $R(3,5) \leq 14$, so if you find a red-blue coloring for $k_{13}$ such that there is no red $k_ 3$ and no blue $k_5$ you would have proven that $R(3,5) > 13$ which means that $R(3,5)=14$

The required coloring is described in your exercise:

An edge is colored red if and only if it is either an edge of the 13-gon or a diagonal such that 4 vertices lie on one of its sides and 7 vertices on the other side

and of course the rest is blue.

so first you draw the red 13-gon and then you add from each vertex a diagonal such that it has 4 vertices on one side and 7 on the other. Something like this:

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finally you get :

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this is the red edges in the coloring and which they do not contain a $k_3$

now you continue your coloring, by connecting each vertex to the remaining 10 vertices with the color blue, which will also not contain a blue $k_5$

One note though: if your textbook have not proved that $R(3,4)=9$ before, then you are required to, and this can be done using the same idea:

  1. first use the lemma and you get $R(3,4) \leq R(2,4)+R(3,3)=4+6=10$
  2. find a red-blue coloring for $k_8$ such that there is no red $k_3$ nor a blue $k_4$
  3. prove that there is always in a red-blue coloring of $k_9$ either a red $k_3$ or a blue $k_4$
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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the info, but I'm having difficulty imagining that coloring. It seems kind of complex to me. $\endgroup$
    – user72151
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 13:10
  • $\begingroup$ this edit might help $\endgroup$
    – DS_UNI
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 14:01

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