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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milton Owor[edit]

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BLP of the chair of a rotary club who is also a successful HR professional. I don’t see anything here to indicate notability. Mccapra (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be retained because of the following reasons;

Asking ourselves questions
If we were to determine notability using the criteria that you have followed then we would be asking our selves;
  • Is Denis Toussaint Lesage is also notable or not? He was a successful deputy of his time
  • What is so special about that president of a certain country as there has been more presidents before him that have done great things?
  • What makes that CEO notable as their are people who have done what he has done.As in he founded a company but their are big companies than what he founded, etc

  • Does one being a member of a certain club, association or secret organisation make that person notable?
But according to the;
He is not just a HR professional at the NSSF Uganda, not everyone can be in that position. But he also won a top HR award in Uganda for his profession. B722N (talk) 03:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s true that New Vision and Daily Monitor mention him, but neither piece is in depth coverage of him and does not contribute in any way to demonstrating notability. Everything else we have for sourcing us either from organisations associated with the subject, or a non-notable award. Mccapra (talk) 06:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the biggest challenges faced by African Wikipedians is getting in-depth references that talk about people they are writing about. Most of the content in the newspapers and books is just a paragraph or a sentence. Very few Ugandans have books written about them or entire newspaper pages dedicated to them.

I request that you check most of the Ugandan Wikipedia articles and check whether their references have entire pages dedicated to the people that have been written about. Most of that information comes from their personal or company websites which are mostly not written with Neutral Point of View. And then the information from those websites is backed up with those paragraphs and sentences that have been found the notable media sites and publications.

Even most of newspaper articles about the profile of a person is usually tagged as sponsored content and you know that as long as an article drives sales or generates clicks or they have been paid then they will have to publish it. And how many international media houses are going to write about the profiles of Ugandan people in depth from childhood to education to their careers. They will just write a paragraph about the career and working experience.

And for the awards, what makes the award notable?

Should we be only considering the Grammy Awards or the BET Awards as the notable awards and not the top Ugandan Awards that awards their Ugandan musicians.

Or we should only be considering the Komla Dumor Award as the only notable award for journalists and not the awards that are given by the Uganda Journalists Association (UJA) because they are not recognized anywhere apart from Uganda.

I understand that we are doing the deletions to improve the quality of content on Wikipedia and that not everybody deserves to have a Wikipedia article since it is not an advertising platform.

And also you are not tagging these articles in bad faith but it is for the greater good. But how are we going to increase the African content on Wikipedia yet the articles written with the fewer references that are harder to get are also being deleted. If the article did follow guidelines such as WP:NPOV or the Wikipedia:Notability (people) or the tone was harsh.

I suggest that this article should be retained.

And also instead of deleting the published articles, they should be moved back to the draft space where someone can wait for 6 months before even getting a reference that writes about that person in depth. But at-least it gives the editors another chance to look deeper for the reference to find the new references that have written.

These kinds of deletions demotivate new editors, they will end up losing interest in contributing to the different projects of the Wikimedia Foundation especially if they tried to follow the guidelines for writing the articles about different topics. B722N (talk) 08:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Biographies of living people are one of the most challenging types of article. A lot get deleted because we have a very high threshold for notability where they're concerned. I’ve no doubt there are many articles to be written on Uganda-related topics, using ordinary newspapers and other sources, where they won’t be challenged - that’s why newer users are often advised to avoid BLPs to start with. I’ve no objection to this article being draftified if there are in fact better sources that will clearly demonstrate notability. But draftification is pointless unless those sources probably exist. Mccapra (talk) 12:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your time @Mccapra and enlightening me. All of your points have been noted. B722N (talk) 13:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if we can get more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This article is a WP:REFBOMB but not a single one provides WP:SIGCOV of the subject. All available sources are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (corporate bio pages, self-authored material) or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS with a name-check or perhaps a photo caption. He seems like a terrific civic-minded local leader but there is no evidence the subject passes the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. (As for the latter, an editor up-thread appears to say that Owor is listed in the Ugandan biographical dictionary, but there is no cite to that in the article and I cannot find that such a reference exists at all, much less that Owor is in it.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: HR professional and president of a rotary club with no indication of notability. Opened every single source cited in the article hoping to find reliable ones but turned out that no single one is reliable to support notability. From sources number one to ten in the article all except one are primary sources and a further look at all sources proved same. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC Ednabrenze (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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