Timeline for Adviser wants to be joint first author, even though I did most of the research
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| Aug 15, 2016 at 19:28 | history | edited | Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 4, 2015 at 20:04 | answer | added | Patrick | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 23, 2014 at 13:11 | comment | added | Nobody | @WoJ I decided to delete my previous comment because it's misleading. Yes, you're right that seniority does not determine the first authorship. | |
| Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06 | comment | added | WoJ | @scaaahu: " he is more senior than you, right? So, in my opinion, his name should be written first". Why? Seniority does not mean that he is better in research. With time and the reality of academia it usually means that the more senior person will be worse in research (as he takes on more teaching, management, logistics - vital activities, do not get me wrong, but which do not contribute to pure research which is later published) | |
| May 21, 2014 at 16:27 | comment | added | cabad | @JeffE I've always felt bad about suggesting alphabetic ordering for anything (my last name begins with an "A") and have wondered what my opinion on alphabetic ordering would be if my lastname were to begin with a "Z". | |
| May 20, 2014 at 15:50 | comment | added | JeffE | he is more senior than you, right? So, in my opinion, his name should be written first — The only sensible standard for joint first authorship is to list the first authors alphabetically. Otherwise, there are (as here) fights over who gets to be the first first author, which is just stupid. | |
| May 20, 2014 at 14:06 | answer | added | sean | timeline score: 4 | |
| S May 19, 2014 at 16:32 | history | edited | Moriarty | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| S May 19, 2014 at 16:32 | history | suggested | Ilmari Karonen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 15:28 | answer | added | Iceberg Slim | timeline score: 20 | |
| S May 19, 2014 at 14:44 | history | suggested | Cape Code |
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| May 19, 2014 at 12:14 | answer | added | WoJ | timeline score: 3 | |
| May 19, 2014 at 10:02 | vote | accept | azer89 | ||
| May 19, 2014 at 10:02 | comment | added | azer89 | Yeah, I guess, that's right. I can't argue more. I will discuss with him and get out from his research group as soon as possible since this is not my first dispute with him (I actually I have a lot issues with him). For the future I will polish my English writing skill. Thanks all, I will mark @EnergyNumbers's as the answer. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:50 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 9:47 | comment | added | azer89 | Hi @scaaahu, thanks for the link. "...the first author is generally the person who both had the "main idea" and led the effort to ensure that the efforts to carry out the research and write the paper occurred properly... " I have "the main Idea"+efforts but my adviser helps me with the writing. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:39 | comment | added | Nobody | A very much related question academia.stackexchange.com/q/2467/546 | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:22 | comment | added | azer89 | That's why being first author is important. So he asked to be "joint first author" along with me. This means there are two first authors. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:19 | comment | added | azer89 | Hi @Max, the standard in my field is based on contributions, first author has the most significant contributions than others. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:18 | comment | added | Max | In some areas of CS, alphabetical order is the standard... is your advisor asking to be the "primary" author, or just asking to follow the standards of your field? | |
| May 19, 2014 at 9:09 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 9:01 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 8:37 | comment | added | azer89 | Yes, but the tasks been assigned, I need to implement one remaining algorithm in c++ and he said I shouldn't modify the latex without his permission except some technical part. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:33 | comment | added | Nobody | If the deadline is only two weeks, I suggest you to spend time to write your paper, instead of spending time here. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:32 | comment | added | azer89 | I am also sorry to become too sentimental. I put a lot of efforts in this research all year where my advisers only write the paper in one moth before the deadline. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:27 | comment | added | azer89 | @Alexandros, okay, thanks for your feedback. I made this questions because it's not usual for me. In the country where I live right now, people don't speak English, some students did research but because they weren't good in English writing, their advisers wrote papers for them. They are still granted as first author. But If you said so, I respect your view. Maybe I'm wrong. But what makes me to question about this, my adviser admits that this practice is unusual and somehow told me "explicitly" that he needs to be joint first author so he can be an associate prof. It is really fishy | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:18 | comment | added | azer89 | Because you said no one will notice the asterisks that's why I ask him to write my name first but He can be the joint first author. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:16 | comment | added | azer89 | Yes, the problem isn't about asterisk or ordering, but "Is it okay my adviser becomes joint first author?". | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:14 | comment | added | Alexandros | You do know that in DBLP, Google Scholar etc, no-one will actually read the asterisks. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:11 | comment | added | azer89 | For example in writing the authorship: Spongebob Squarepants* , Patrick TheStar*, Squidward TheSquid. There is an "asterisk". In the first page of the paper there will be a footnote that names with the asterisk "have equally the same contribution". Let's say I'm Patrick, but I want my name to be written first rather than second. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:06 | comment | added | Alexandros | What do you mean by "He can be the joint first author but my name should be written first" Is his name first or yours? | |
| May 19, 2014 at 8:00 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:55 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:54 | history | edited | user102 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:46 | answer | added | 410 gone | timeline score: 30 | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:31 | comment | added | azer89 | I'd love to write the paper by myself but the deadline is only 2 weeks (doh) and I still need to work on my program. Moreover, He can write a LOT faster and better than me. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:29 | review | First posts | |||
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:29 | answer | added | xLeitix | timeline score: 14 | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:27 | comment | added | Nobody | Your English writing is not too bad (based on the writing of this question). I would suggest you to write the paper yourself. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:25 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:20 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:14 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackAcademia/status/468288471220502528 | ||
| May 19, 2014 at 7:14 | comment | added | azer89 | Thanks, I'm new to this site although I'm an active user of stackoverflow | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:13 | history | edited | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:12 | comment | added | xLeitix | I changed your tags around a bit. There are much more appropriate tags for your problem than the generic ones you provided. | |
| May 19, 2014 at 7:12 | history | edited | Peter Jansson | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:12 | history | edited | xLeitix |
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| May 19, 2014 at 7:09 | history | asked | azer89 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |