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Rxe‡bi Ggb GK Ae¯’vb †hLv‡b †cuŠ‡Q Avcbvi g‡b n‡e, Avcbvi
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wQ‡jv e‡jwQ| Avi ZLbB ejv hv‡e, Avcwb GKRb mdj gvbyl|
GKB mv‡_ mvdj¨‡K Avgiv ej‡Z cvwi Ggb GKUv Abyf~wZ, †gav-
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cÖ_g wek¦vm ïi“ Ki‡jb, Pvi wgwb‡U GK gvBj †`Šov‡bv hv‡e|
Abykxj‡bi ci Abykxjb| mevB‡K AevK K‡i w`‡q 1953 mv‡j wZwb
Pvi wgwb‡U GK gvBj †`Š‡oi †iKW© Ki‡jb| Zvi 15 w`‡bi gv_vq Rb
j¨vwÛ Pvi wgwb‡Ui †P‡q `yyB †m‡KÛ K‡g GK gvBj †`Šov‡jb| we¯§q
wKš‘ ILv‡b bq, we¯§q Zvic‡i| cieZ©x 30 eQ‡i nvRv‡iiI †ewk
†`Šowe` Pvi wgwb‡U GK gvBj †`Š‡o‡Qb| hLb gvbyl wek¦vm Ki‡Zv †h,
m¤¢e bq, †KD cv‡i wb| †hw`b iRvi e¨vwb÷vi wek¦vm Ki‡jb Ges K‡i
†`wL‡q w`‡jb, Zvici nvRvi Rb cvi‡jb|
weÁv‡bi AMÖMwZi †h BwZnvm, GwUI wek¦v‡mi weR‡qi BwZnvm|
†h‡Kv‡bv cÖhyw³ cÖ_‡g weÁvbx wek¦vm K‡i‡Qb †h, GwU ˆZwi Kiv m¤¢e,
GwU evbv‡bv m¤¢e| Zvic‡i wZwb evwb‡q‡Qb| Avcwb †`Lyb, wegv‡bi
BwZnvm| nvRvi eQi a‡i weÁvbxiv wek¦vm Ki‡Zb †h, evZv‡mi †P‡q
fvix e¯‘ AvKv‡k Do‡e bv| I‡o wb| cÖ_‡g ivBU eªv`vm© wek¦vm ïi“
Ki‡jb †h, bv, evZv‡mi †P‡q fvix e¯‘ AvKv‡k Do‡e hw` Zvi †`n
Ges Wvbvi AbycvZ wVK nq Ges Zv‡Z MwZi mÂvi Kiv hvq| Ab¨vb¨
weÁvbxiv Zv‡ì‡K wb‡q nvmvnvwm K‡i‡Qb| wKš‘ ivBU eªv`vm© wek¦v‡m
AUj _vK‡jb| wegvb ˆZwi Ki‡jb| mf¨Zvi †Pnviv cv‡ë †Mj|
c„w_exi hZ eo eo abKz‡ei, Zvi kZKiv 90 Rb Lye mvaviY Ae¯’v
†_‡K D‡V G‡m‡Qb GB wek¦vm‡K m¤^j K‡i| Av‡gwiKvq Zvi mgqKvi
me‡P‡q eo abKz‡ei GÛªy Kv‡b©wM ew¯—i †Q‡j wQ‡jb| 12 eQi hLb Zvi
eqm ZLb wZwb GKwU cvewjK cv‡K© XyK‡Z †P‡qwQ‡jb| `v‡ivqvb Zv‡K
XyK‡Z †`q wb Zvi gqjv †bvsiv †cvkv‡Ki R‡b¨| wKš‘ †mB 12 eQi
eqmx †Q‡jwUi g‡b GZ cÖZ¨q, GZ wek¦vm wQ‡jv †h, †mLv‡b ùvwo‡q
wb‡Ri Kv‡Q cÖwZÁv K‡iwQ‡jb, †hw`b Avgvi UvKv n‡e, †mw`b GB
cvK©Uv Avwg wK‡b †dj‡ev| 30 eQi c‡i GÛªy Kv‡b©wM Zvi cÖwZÁv i¶v
K‡iwQ‡jb| wZwb †mB cvK©wU wK‡bwQ‡jb| †mLv‡b GKwU bZzb
mvBb‡evW© jvwM‡qwQ‡jb| †m mvBb‡ev‡W© †jLv wQ‡jvÑÔAvR †_‡K w`‡b
ev iv‡Z, mKv‡j ev we‡K‡j, †h‡Kv‡bv eq‡mi, †h‡Kv‡bv gvbyl, †h‡Kv‡bv

ce© 2 mvdj¨ 15
†cvkv‡K GB cv‡K© cÖ‡ek Ki‡Z cvi‡eÕ|
wek¦vm Ges Awek¦vm-Gi †h cv_©K¨, †QvÆ GKwU D`vniY w`‡q Avgiv
†evSv‡Z cvwi| Avcbvi mvg‡b †g‡S‡Z hw` Qq BwÂ PIov GKwU Kv‡Vi
Z³v wewQ‡q †`qv nq Ges ejv nq, fvB ev †evb! Gi Ici w`‡q GKUz
†nu‡U hvb| Avcwb Kx Ki‡eb? Avcwb †`Šo †`‡eb| KviY Avcwb Rv‡bb
†h, Avcbvi cv †djvi R‡b¨ Qq BwÂi †P‡q †ewk RvqMvi ìKvi †bB|
Kv‡iv cv‡qi cvZvB Qq BwÂ PIov bq|
wKš‘ GB Z³vUvB hw` GKwU DuPz wewìs‡qi Qv` †_‡K iv¯—vi H
cv‡ii GKwU wewìs‡qi Qv‡` jvwM‡q †`qv hvq Avi ejv nq †h, fvB ev
†evb! GKUz Av‡M Avcwb Kx my›ì †`Šo w`‡qwQ‡jbÑGevi †`Šo w`‡Z
n‡e bv, Av‡¯— Av‡¯— UzK UzK K‡i †nu‡U hvb| Avcwb Kx Ki‡eb? cÖ_‡g
mvg‡bi w`‡K ZvKv‡eb| †`L‡eb †h, KZ `~i? Zvic‡i wb‡Pi w`‡K
ZvKv‡eb †h, KZ DuPz‡Z? Zvici g‡b n‡e †h, hw` c‡o hvB? GK cv,
`yB cv, wZb cv| e¨m, c‡o wM‡q G‡Kev‡i Avjyi `g n‡q hv‡eb|
cÖ_gevi cvi‡jb, wØZxqevi cvi‡jb bv †Kb? KviY cÖ_gevi
Avcbvi g‡b †Kv‡bv cÖkœB Rv‡M wb, c‡o hvIqvi †Kv‡bv wPš—vB Av‡m
wb| wØZxqevi Avcbvi g‡b cÖkœ Xy‡K †M‡Q, hw` c‡o hvB? A_P mvK©v‡m
Avcbviv †`‡L‡Qb, `woi Ici w`‡q 12 eQ‡ii wK‡kvi †`Š‡o P‡j
hv‡”Q| †m cvi‡Q, Avcwb cvi‡Qb bv †Kb? KviY †m wek¦vm Ki‡Q †h,
†m cvi‡e| Avi Avcbvi g‡b cÖkœ †R‡M †M‡Q, hw` c‡o hvB?
Avm‡j Avgv‡ì mewKQyB Av‡Q, Afve ïay wek¦v‡mi| Avgiv
wb‡R‡ì‡K wek¦vm Ki‡Z cvwi bv| wek¦vm Ki‡Z cvwi bv †h, AvwgI
cvwi| wek¦vm Ki‡Z cvwi bv †h, AvwgI cvi‡ev| †hw`b wek¦vm Ki‡Z
cvi‡eb †h, AvwgI cvwi, †mw`b Avcbvi cÖwZwU hyw³m½Z PvIqv cvIqvq
iƒcvš—wiZ n‡e| wek¦vmB Avcbv‡K mvd‡jï c‡_ GwM‡q †b‡e|
cÖkœ : K‡qKevi †Póv K‡i e¨_© n‡qwQ| Pig nZvkvq fyMwQ| Avgvi c‡¶
wK mdj nIqv m¤¢e?
DËi : Aek¨B m¤¢e| eis ejv †h‡Z cv‡i, e¨_© n‡q‡Qb e‡jB Avcbvi
mdj nIqvUv GLb mnR| KviY c„w_exi cÖvq cÖwZwU mdj gvby‡li
ïi“Uv e¨_©Zv w`‡qB| †Rgm WvBmb| f¨vKzqvg wK¬bvi bvgK †h hš¿wU

GLb AvaywbK gvby‡li Nievwo, Awdm, †nv‡Uj I Ab¨vb¨ ¯’vb cwi®‹v‡ii
GK cÖ‡qvRbxq DcKiY n‡q †M‡Q Zvi Avwe®‹viK| gRvi e¨vcvi n‡jv,
G †gwkbwU‡K h_vh_ iƒc †`qvi Av‡M †Rgm WvBmb‡K e¨_© n‡Z
n‡qwQ‡jv cuvP nvRvi ev‡iiI †ewk|
†Rgm PvBwQ‡jb Ggb GKUv f¨vKzqvg ˆZwi Ki‡eb hv‡Z †Kv‡bv
e¨vM _vK‡e bv| KviY e¨vM _vK‡jB ay‡jvevwj‡Z Av”Qbœ n‡q wKQyw`‡bi
g‡a¨B †gwkb R¨vg n‡q hvq| cvdUv bó n‡q hvq, d‡j ay‡jvevwj †U‡b
†bqvi ¶gZvUv Avi †gwk‡bi _v‡K bv| G j‡¶¨ †Rgm K¬vwš—nxbfv‡e
KvR K‡i †M‡jb cuvP cuvPwU eQi| M‡elYvq cy‡iv mgq †`qvi R‡b¨
PvKwiUv †Q‡o w`‡jb| ¯¿xi DcvR©b w`‡qB G mgq Pj‡Z n‡q‡Q Zv‡K|
cuvP eQ‡i A‡bKeviB Ggb A‡bK cwiw¯’wZ G‡m‡Q hv‡Z nvj †Q‡o
†`qvUvB wQ‡jv ¯^vfvweK| wKš‘ †Rg‡mi Kv‡Q GUv †mªd GKUv †gwkb
Avwe®‹vi wQ‡jv bv, GUv wQ‡jv Zvi Rxeb|
eQi cuv‡PK ci †gwkbUv ˆZwi n‡jv wVK| wKš‘ GUv‡K †Kbvi R‡b¨
†Kv‡bv †Kv¤úvwb‡K ivwR Kiv‡bv †Mj bv| wZbwU eQi wZwb ïay GK
†Kv¤úvwb †_‡K Av‡iK †Kv¤úvwbi ìRvq Ny‡i‡Qb K‡qKwU UvKvi
wewbg‡q GB f¨vKzqvg wK¬bviUvi jvB‡mÝ wewµ Kivi R‡b¨| wKš‘ mevB
†gwkbUvi Kvh©¶gZvi cÖksmv Ki‡jI evRv‡i Pj‡e wK bv GUv wb‡q
m‡›`n †cvlY Ki‡Zv| KviY evRvi mqjve n‡q Av‡Q e¨vMIqvjv
f¨vKzqvg wK¬bv‡i| †mLv‡b GiKg e¨vMnxb GKUv f¨vKzqvg‡K †µZviv
Kxfv‡e †b‡e †mUv wb‡qB mevi Avk¼v wQ‡jv|
Ae‡k‡l 1993 mv‡j †Rgm wb‡RB GUvi evRviRvZKi‡Yi D‡`¨vM
ïi“ Ki‡jb| gvÎ †ò eQ‡ii gv_vq wWwm 01 n‡q DV‡jv evRv‡ii
me‡P‡q †ewk wewµZ f¨vKzqvg wK¬bvi| †Rgm e‡jb, †h e¨vM bv _vKv‡K
Gi evRv‡i gvi LvIqvi KviY wn‡m‡e fwel¨ØvYx K‡iwQ‡jv mevB, †mB
e¨vM bv _vKvUvB n‡q †Mj Gi RbwcÖqZvi me‡P‡q eo KviY| Avi Avwg
†mUvB RvbZvg| ZvB †Zv cÖ_gevi e¨_© n‡q Avwg †hgb †_‡g hvB wb,
†Zgwb 50 evi e¨_© n‡qI nZvk nB wb| nvj †Q‡o †`B wb cuvP nvRvi
evi e¨_© n‡qI| KviY Avwg RvbZvgÑG¸‡jv e¨_©Zv bq, eis G n‡jv
GKUz GKUz K‡i mdjZvi w`‡K G¸‡bv|
Kv‡RB Avcbvi nZvk nIqvi wKQy †bB| Avcbvi e¨_©Zv¸‡jv Avm‡j
Avcbvi mvd‡jï c‡_iB G‡KKwU avc|

gbQwe
gbQwe Kx? Kxfv‡e KvR K‡i?
cÖkœ : gbQwe Avm‡j Kx?
DËi : gbQwe g‡bi c`©vq Mfxi wek¦vm Avi GKvMÖ g‡bv‡hv‡M jvwjZ
mvd‡jï Qwe| A_©vr Avcwb hv n‡Z Pvb ev †c‡Z Pvb Zv cÖ_gZ PvIqv,
cv‡ev e‡j wek¦vm Kiv Ges cvw”Q e‡j Abyfe Kivi bvg gbQwe|
BwZnv‡m mdj gvbyliv KL‡bvB weivRgvb Ae¯’v‡K †g‡b wb‡Z cv‡ib
wb, A‡bï mvdj¨ †`‡L wew¯§Z nb wb; eis wek¦vm K‡i‡Qb †h we¯§q
m„wó Kivi kw³ Zvi wb‡Ri g‡a¨B i‡q‡Q| cwieZ©‡bi µgvMZ ¯^cœ
Zv‡ì †cÖiYv hywM‡q‡Q Rxeb e`jv‡Z, bZzb ev¯—eZv Mo‡Z| m‡PZb ev
Ae‡PZbfv‡e Zviv Avm‡j gbQweB K‡i‡Qb| ïay Avkv bq, gbQwe n‡jv
wek¦vm I K‡g© jvwjZ fwel¨‡Zi ev¯—eZv| cvwL †hgb Zvi Mš—‡e¨
†cuŠQvq Wvbvq fi K‡i, gvbylI mvd‡jï wkL‡i †cuŠQvq gbQwei Wvbv
†g‡j w`‡q| G cÖm‡½ GKwU HwZnvwmK NUbv‡K D×„Z Kiv †h‡Z cv‡iÑ
1903 mv‡ji 17 wW‡m¤î, †ejv 10Uv| c„w_exi BwZnv‡m cÖ_gev‡ii
g‡Zv evZv‡mi †P‡q fvix kw³PvwjZ GK hvb wb‡q gvbyl mdjfv‡e
AvKv‡k Do‡jv, nvRvi eQi a‡i hv wQ‡jv ïay GK Am¤¢e Kíbv| Avi
Zv Ki‡jb `yB fvBÑDBjevi ivBU Ges Aiwfj ivBU|
gRvi e¨vcvi n‡jv, Zviv †KD wKš‘ †Kv‡bv weÁvbx wQ‡jb bv|
wek¦we`¨vjq †_‡K A¼, c`v_©weÁvb ev G‡ivbwU‡Kj BwÄwbqvwis‡q
Zv‡ì †Kv‡bv D”PZi wWwMÖ wQ‡jv bv, GgbwK nvB¯‹z‡ji MwÛI Zviv
†c‡ivb wb| †WU‡bi `yRb evBmvB‡Kj wgw¯¿ Kx K‡i GB Am¤¢e‡K m¤¢e
Ki‡jb? GK K_vq Zvi DËiÑgbQwe|
†QvU‡ejvq evevi G‡b †`qv GKwU Doš— †Ljbv †_‡KB `yB fvB‡qi
gv_vq cÖ_g D‡o hvIqvi wPš—v Rv‡M| Zvici eQ‡ii ci eQi a‡i
M‡elYv, †Póv, e¨_©Zvi ci Zviv jvf K‡ib G mvdj¨| Gici Avcwb
hLb †Kv‡bv wegv‡b Po‡eb ev gv_vi Ici w`‡q wegvb D‡o †h‡Z
†`L‡eb, Avcwb Abyfe Kivi †Póv Ki‡eb KZ mvaviY GKwU fvebv
†_‡KB bv G ev¯—eZvi ïi“ n‡qwQ‡jv| KviY gb hv fve‡Z cv‡i, hv
wek¦vm Ki‡Z cv‡i; Zv AR©b Ki‡Z cv‡i| GLv‡bB gbQwei kw³|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 17

cÖkœ : gbQwe Kxfv‡e KvR K‡i?
DËi : gbQwe MwZ cvq Kíbvi kw³‡Z| KvR K‡i MvB‡WW wgmvB‡ji
g‡Zv| Avm‡j mvdj¨ I AvZ¥ Dbœq‡bi g~j m~Î n‡”Q Avcwb ev¯—‡e hv
n‡Z Pvb cÖ_‡g Kíbvq Zv †nvb| †Kb? Jcb¨vwmK K~U f‡bMv‡U©i
fvlvq, ÔAvgiv wb‡R‡ì m¤ú‡K© hv Kíbv Kwi Avgiv Avm‡j Zv-BÕ|
gw¯—‡®‹i fvlv n‡”Q Qwe ev B‡gR| Avgv‡ì wPš—v cÖavbZ Avgv‡ì g‡bi
c`©vq cÖwZdwjZ Qwe¸‡jvi we‡k-lY gvÎ| Avgiv Avgv‡ì wb‡R‡ì I
cvwicvwk¦©KZv m¤ú‡K© †h Qwe g‡b g‡b AuvwK Zv Avgv‡ì Abyf~wZ,
AvPiY I Kg©ZrciZv‡K cÖfvweZ K‡i| d‡j g‡b g‡b wb‡Ri †h Qwe
AuvwK, ax‡i ax‡i Avgiv Zv‡ZB cwiYZ nB|
Avgiv hLb GKvMÖ Kíbvq Avgv‡ì j‡¶ï Qwe g‡b †Mu‡_ †dwj
ZLb Zv †eªb I bvf©vm wm‡÷g‡K ¯^qswµqfv‡e j¶¨ AR©‡bi c‡_
cwiPvwjZ K‡i| A‡bKUv ¯^-wbqwš¿Z wgmvB‡ji (self guided missile)
g‡Zv| GB wgmvB‡ji Uv‡M©U Av‡M †_‡K wba©vwiZ _v‡K| Gi †Kv‡bv
w`K-wb‡`©kbvi cÖ‡qvRb nq bv| GwU wb‡Ri c‡_ GwM‡q P‡j Ges
BwZevPK wdWe¨vK Øviv (A_©vr †h wdWe¨vK ej‡Q †m mwVK c‡_ Av‡Q
†mB wdWe¨vK Øviv) cÖfvweZ nq bv|
wKš‘ hLbB †m Zvi j¶¨c_ †_‡K wePy¨Z n‡Z ïi“ K‡i ZLbB †m
cÖvß bZzb Z_¨ Øviv cÖfvweZ nq| A_©vr wgmvB‡ji MvB‡WÝ wm‡÷g hLb
Lei †c‡jv †h, †m wbw`©ó MwZc_ †_‡K evgw`‡K m‡i †M‡Q, ZLb Gi
c_-ms‡kvabx hš¿ ¯^qswµqfv‡e G‡K Wvbw`‡K cwiPvwjZ K‡i|
Wvbw`‡K †h‡Z wM‡q hw` Avevi †ewk Wv‡b P‡j hvq, Zvn‡j Avevi Zv
evgw`‡K MwZ cwieZ©b K‡i| cÖwZwbqZ fyj ms‡kvab Ki‡Z Ki‡Z
wgmvBjwU mvg‡b AMÖmi nq Ges GKmgq j¶ë¯‘‡Z AvNvZ nv‡b|
gbQweI KvR K‡i GKB cÖwµqvq| gbQwei gva¨‡g j‡¶ï Qwe
Ae‡PZb g‡b ewm‡q w`‡j gb ¯^qswµqfv‡e †m j‡¶¨ †cuŠQvi R‡b¨ Zvi
mKj kw³‡K wb‡qvM Ki‡e| wèvwbwk KvR K‡i hv‡e| cÖ‡qvR‡b c_
ms‡kvab Ki‡e| cÖ‡qvR‡b Avcbvi `„wófw½‡K cv‡ë †`‡e| Av‡iv wPš—v
M‡elYvq Avcbv‡K wb‡qvwRZ Ki‡e| `y`©gbxq AvMÖn I D`¨g m„wó
Ki‡e| wbw`©ó Mš—‡e¨ †cuŠQvi R‡b¨ hv hv Kiv ìKvi Zv Kivi R‡b¨
†fZ‡i GKUv Zvobv m„wó Ki‡e| Avcbv‡K wb‡q hv‡e j¶¨cv‡b| GKwU

cÖvPxb M‡íi ga¨ w`‡q G welqwU Av‡iv fv‡jvfv‡e †evSv hv‡e|
Zzi‡¯‹i B¯—v¤^y‡ji mgy`ªcv‡ii ZuvwZKb¨v dvwZgvÑ†QvU‡ejv †_‡KB
Zvi ¯^cœ wQ‡jv †m ivRivbx n‡e, Zvi Hk¦h©‡K †m e¨q Ki‡e `y¯’-
ewÂZ‡ì Kj¨v‡Y| GK Mwie ZuvwZKb¨vi Zzjbvq ¯^cœUv A‡bK eo
êwK| wKš‘ mvivw`b Kvco eyb‡Z eyb‡Z †m G ¯^cœB †`‡L| Ae‡k‡l
Zvi cxovcxwo‡Z eva¨ n‡q evev Zv‡K wb‡q mgy`ªc‡_ hvÎv Ki‡jb|
Mš—e¨ wgk‡ii Av‡jKRvw›`ªqv| cw_g‡a¨ S‡oi Ke‡j c‡o †bŠKvWywe
n‡jv| dvwZgv nvwi‡q †Mj Zvi evevi KvQ †_‡K| mgy`ªZx‡i GK e„×
†R‡j Zv‡K †c‡q wb‡q †Mj wb‡Ri evwo‡Z| †mLv‡b dvwZgv wkL‡jv
`wo cvwK‡q Rvj eyb‡Z|
wKQyw`b ci Avevi Zvi Rxe‡b †b‡g G‡jv `ywe©cvK| Rj`myïv Zv‡K
AcniY K‡i wewµ Ki‡jv emivi GK mI`vM‡ii Kv‡Q µxZ`vmx
wn‡m‡e| mI`vM‡ii wQ‡jv Rvfv †_‡K KvV Avg`vwb K‡i †bŠKv
evbv‡bvi eëmv| †mLv‡b †m AvqË Ki‡jv KvV †PivB Avi gv¯‘j
evbv‡bvi cÖwµqv| B‡Zvg‡a¨ K‡qKevi RvnvRWywe‡Z mI`vM‡ii †ek
¶q¶wZ n‡jv, †jvKRb Zv‡K †Q‡o P‡j †Mj| ZLb eyw×gZx I wek¦¯—
dvwZgv gwb‡ei cv‡k ùvov‡jv| gwbe Zvi Avš—wiKZvq gy» n‡q Zv‡K
eëmv‡q Askx`vi Ki‡jb| dvwZgv KvV Avb‡Z mgy`ª c‡_ Rvfvi
D‡Ï‡k¨ iIbv n‡jv| wKš‘ Avevi So, AveviI wbi“‡Ï‡k †f‡m hvIqv|
Gevi dvwZgv wM‡q co‡jv Pxb †`‡k| Ávb wd‡i †m †`L‡jv,
gnvmgv‡iv‡n Zv‡K wb‡q hvIqv n‡”Q ivRcÖvmv‡`|
NUbv wQ‡jv GiKgÑPxb‡`‡ki ivRcy‡Îi we‡q m¤ú‡K© ivR-‡R¨vwZlx
fwel¨ØvYx K‡iwQ‡jb †h, ney K‡b c~wY©gvi iv‡Z mgy`ª †_‡K Avm‡e, hvi
fvlv, †Pnviv n‡e Avjv`v Ges †m Zuvey evbv‡Z cvi‡e| cvwicvwk¦©K me
wg‡j †Mj| Gevi Zuvey evbv‡Z n‡e| dvwZgv †b‡g co‡jv Zuvey evbv‡Z|
Kvco †evbvi AwfÁZv †_‡K Kvco evbv‡jv| Rvj evbv‡bvi AwfÁZv
†_‡K `wo evbv‡jv| Avi gv¯‘j evbv‡bvi AwfÁZv †_‡K evbv‡jv Zuveyi
LuywU| Zuvey ˆZwi n‡jv| ivRv wbwðZ n‡jb GB †m †g‡q| c~iY n‡jv
dvwZgvi AvRb¥ jvwjZ ¯^cœ|
Avm‡j GUvB gbQwe| GwM‡q P‡j GiKg Rxebe¨vcx| Rxe‡bi bvbv
NUbv, euvK¸‡jv‡Z †cÖv-GKwUf †_‡K GKvMÖ wek¦v‡m bxi‡e KvR K‡i
†M‡jB Av‡m P~ovš— mvdj¨|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 19

cÖkœ : j¶¨ AR©‡bi R‡b¨ `„p B”Qvkw³B wK h‡_ó bq? Gi R‡b¨ e‡m
e‡m Kíbv Kivi cÖ‡qvRb Av‡Q wK?
DËi : ïb‡j nq‡Zv AevK jvM‡Z cv‡i| wKš‘ ev¯—e mZ¨ n‡”Q, Kíbv
I B”Qvi g‡a¨ msNvZ n‡j B”Qv civwRZ nq| Kíbv Rqx nq|
Avm‡j hZB B”Qvkw³ _vKzK g‡bi mv‡_ †Rvi K‡i cviv hvq bv|
†hiKg A‡bK cyi“l Av‡Qb, KZevi B”Qv K‡i‡Qb a~gcvb Qvo‡eb|
gb‡K cÖfvweZ Ki‡Z cv‡ib wb, DØy× Ki‡Z cv‡ib wb, a~gcvbI Qvo‡Z
cv‡ib wb| hZevi †Q‡o‡Qb ZZevi a‡i‡Qb| GUv cÖavbZ Kíbvkw³i
mv‡_ B”Qvi Ø‡›Øi Kvi‡Y| wKš‘ hw` gb †_‡K wRwbmUv Avm‡Zv, gb‡K
hw` DØy× Ki‡Z cvi‡Zb †h, GB Kvi‡Y Avgvi a~gcvb Kiv DwPZ
bvÑgb‡i gb, ZzB Avgvi K_v †kvbÑZvn‡j a~gcvb Qvo‡Z cvi‡Zb|
g‡bi ¯^fve Avi Mvavi ¯^fve GKB iKg| Mvavi Mjvq iwk w`‡q
Avcwb Zv‡K †hw`‡K Uvb‡eb †mw`‡K †m hv‡e bv| Avcwb c~e©w`‡K
Uv‡bb, †m Ab¨ mew`‡K hv‡e wKš‘ c~e©w`‡K wKQy‡ZB hv‡e bv| hLb
Avcwb †hw`‡K g‡bv‡hvM w`‡Z Pvb, gb †mUv Qvov Ab¨ me e¨vcv‡i
g‡bv‡hvMx n‡q I‡V| AZGe, gb‡K w`‡q hLb Avcwb KvR Kiv‡Z Pvb
ZLb †Rvi Ki‡Z hv‡eb bv|
Mvav‡K w`‡q KvR Kiv‡bvi me‡P‡q fv‡jv Dcvq n‡”Q Zvi mvg‡b
GKUv gyjv Szwj‡q †`qv| gyjv †hw`‡K †h‡Z _vK‡e MvavI †mw`‡K †h‡Z
_vK‡e| UvbvUvwbi †Kv‡bv cÖ‡qvRb †bB| GKBfv‡e g‡bi mvg‡b GKUv
gyjv Szwj‡q w`‡Z n‡e Ges GB gyjvUv n‡”Q gbQwe| GB QweUv n‡”Q
†Zvgvi j¶¨, GUv †Zvgv‡K †c‡Z n‡e| c„w_ex‡Z AvR ch©š— hZ gvbyl
mdj n‡q‡Qb, mevi mvg‡bB GB ÔgyjvÕ A_©vr ¯^cœ wQ‡jv| hyw³ Ges
Áv‡bi †P‡q ¯^cœ Ges Kíbv A‡bK A‡bK †ewk kw³kvjx| ¯^cœ Ges
KíbvB mf¨Zv‡K GwM‡q wb‡q G‡m‡Q|
cÖkœ : gbQwe Avi Ajm Kíbvi g‡a¨ cv_©K¨ Kx?
DËi : gbQwe n‡”Q hv Avcwb wek¦vm K‡ib| †hiKg 1952 mv‡j Avgiv
wek¦vm K‡iwQjvg ivóªfvlv evsjv n‡e| hw` wek¦vm bv KiZvg, Rxeb
w`‡Z cviZvg bv| ivóªfvlv evsjvÑGUv n‡”Q gbQwe| Avi AvKvk Kzmyg
Kíbv ev Ajm Kíbv n‡”Q †mB †Mvqvwjbxi wPš—vi g‡Zv| `y‡ai Nov

gv_vq wb‡q evRv‡i †h‡Z †h‡Z †m Wy‡e †Mj Ajm Kíbvq| fve‡Z
jvM‡jv `ya wewµ K‡i gyiwM wKb‡e, gyiwM †Kbvi c‡i gyiwMi ev”Pv n‡e|
ev”Pv wewµ K‡i QvMj wKb‡e| QvM‡ji ev”Pv n‡e| QvM‡ji ev”Pv wewµ
K‡i Mi“ wKb‡e| GB K‡i †m A‡bK m¤úwËi gvwjK n‡e| Zvici
ivRvi †Q‡j Zv‡K we‡qi cÖ¯—ve cvVv‡e| Kíbvi G ch©v‡q †m gv_v †b‡o
e‡j DV‡jv Ô‡bwn K‡i½vÕ! A_©vr †m ivwR bq| †h-B gv_v †b‡o‡QÑ`y‡ai
Nov c‡o wM‡q NovI fvO‡jv, `yaI Mov‡jv gvwU‡Z| GUv n‡”Q AvKvk-
Kzmyg Kíbv †hLv‡b wek¦vm †bB, hv Kv‡Ri †cÖiYv m„wó K‡i bv, hv
ev¯—eZv‡K Gwo‡q hvIqvi GKwU Ajm gva¨g gvÎ|
cÖkœ : Avcbvi cÖ`wk©Z c_ Avgvi Rxe‡bi Avg~j cwieZ©b K‡i‡Q, Avgvi
K…ZÁZv MÖnY Ki“b| AjxK Kíbv I gbQwei g‡a¨ cv_©K¨ Kx AbyMÖn
K‡i e¨vL¨v Ki‡eb| gbQwe Kivi †¶‡Î Avgiv A‡bK mgq A‡bK eo
eo j¶¨‡K gbQwe awi, hv A‡bK mgq AjxK KíbvI n‡Z cv‡i|
AjxK Kíbv I gbQwe cvkvcvwk e¨vL¨v Ki‡j A‡bK cÖ‡kœi DËi †c‡q
†hZvg| gbQwei mv‡_ wK Ôhw`Õ kãwU hy³ Ki‡j Zv AjxK ¯^cœ n‡q
hv‡e? eZ©gv‡b Avgvi Mvwo µ‡qi mvg_©¨ †bB| hw` Mvwo µ‡qi ¯^cœ
†`wL Z‡e †mUv AjxK Kíbv n‡e wK bv|
DËi : eyS‡Z cviwQ †h, †KvbUv AjxK Kíbv Avi †KvbUv gbQwe eyS‡Z
Amyweav n‡”Q| Avm‡j GKUv n‡”Q Aev¯—e, Av‡iKUv n‡”Q AvcvZ
Am¤¢e wKš‘ m¤¢e| †hgb AZxZ‡K cwieZ©b Kivi wPš—v Aev¯—e, `wi`ª
cwiev‡i Rb¥MÖnY bv K‡i Avwg hw` ivRvi N‡i Rb¥ wbZvgÑG ai‡bi
wPš—v Aev¯—e| Avevi ÔAvwg hw` †cÖwm‡W›U nZvgÕÑGB wPš—vI AjxK
Kíbv, KviY Avcwb †cÖwm‡W›U bb|
wKš‘ Avwg †cÖwm‡W›U n‡evÑGB wPš—v AjxK Kíbv bq, GUv fwel¨r|
Avi eZ©gv‡bi mv‡_ fwel¨‡Zi †Kv‡bv msNl© †bB| eis wek¦vm wb‡q
Avcwb hLb Kíbv Ki‡Qb Avcwb †cÖwm‡W›U n‡q †M‡Qb, ZLb †mUv n‡q
hv‡”Q gbQwe| A_©vr Avcwb wVKB a‡i‡Qb AjxK Kíbv‡K kbv³ Kivi
GKwU Dcvq n‡”Q Ôhw`Õ kãwU|
Avi GKUv Mvwo wK Lye eo †Kv‡bv PvIqv? †gv‡UB bv| evsjv‡`‡k
K‡qK j¶ Mvwo Av‡Q| hv K‡qK j¶ gvbyl Ki‡Z †c‡i‡Q †mUv Avcwb
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 21

†Kb Ki‡Z cvi‡eb bv? Z‡e Avcwb hw` ïay Kíbv K‡ib †h, Avgvi hw`
GKUv Mvwo n‡ZvÑZvn‡j Avwg Kx my›ì WªvBf KiZvgÑGUv n‡”Q AjxK
Kíbv| Avi ÔAvgvi Mvwo Avwg my›ì WªvBf KiwQ ...ÕÑG n‡”Q gbQwe|
cÖkœ : A‡Uvmv‡RkbB wK gbQwe? A‡Uvmv‡Rkb, cÖZ¨qb Ges gbQweÑGB
wZbwUi g‡a¨ cv_©K¨ Kx?
DËi : ai“b, Avcwb wek¦vm K‡ib bv †h, Avcwb mvnmx| wek¦vm bv K‡iB
ej‡Qb, ÔAvwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmxÕ, GwU n‡”Q
A‡Uvmv‡Rkb| Avevi hLb wek¦vm K‡i ej‡Qb †h, ÔAvwg mvnmx, Avwg
mvnmxÕ, GUv n‡”Q cÖZ¨qb| A_©vr hLb K_v, evK¨, kã ev †g‡m‡Ri
mv‡_ wek¦vm †hvM Ki‡Qb ZLb GUv n‡”Q cÖZ¨qb| Avevi Avcwb mvnmx
n‡j Avcbv‡K †hgb †`Lv‡Zv †mB Qwe hLb †`L‡Qb ZLb GUv n‡jv
gbQwe| Avgiv ewj, cÖZ¨qb n‡”Q AwWI, gbQwe n‡”Q wfwWI|
j¶¨ Kx n‡e
cÖkœ : †ckvMZ mvdj¨‡K Rxe‡bi j¶¨ Ki‡Z PvB| Rxe‡bi j¶¨
wba©viY wb‡q wKQy wUcm †`‡eb `qv K‡i|
DËi : Avm‡j Rxe‡bi j¶¨ nIqv DwPZ mdj gvbyl nIqv| mvaviYfv‡e
Avgv‡ì Rxe‡bi j¶¨ n‡”Q Wv³vi, BwÄwbqvi nIqv, wmwfj mvwf©‡m
hvIqv, eëmvqx nIqv, weÁvbx nIqv, Aa¨vcK nIqv BZ¨vw`| wKš‘ Gme
n‡jB wK gvbyl nIqv hvq?
†h Wv³vi GKRb gvbyl‡K AÁvb K‡i Zvi wKWwb †ei K‡i wewµ
K‡i †`q, Zv‡K wK gvbyl ejv hvq? †h BwÄwbqvi cvi‡mb‡U‡Ri ci
cvi‡mb‡UR wb‡q Ggb ¯’vcbv M‡o hv aŸs‡mi KviY nq, Zv‡K wK gvbyl
ejv hvq? †h mwPe wb‡Ri †`‡ki ¯^v_©‡K wewµ K‡i †`q, Zv‡K wK gvbyl
ejv hvq?
†h eëmvqx WªvMm, g` wewµ K‡i, gvby‡li Rxeb aŸsmKvix wRwbm
wewµ K‡i Zv‡K wK gvbyl ejv hvq? †h Awf‡bZv-Awf‡bÎx ¶wZKi
c‡Yï weÁvc‡b g‡Wj nq Zv‡K wK gvbyl ejv hvq? †h weÁvbx gvbyl

nZ¨vi R‡b¨ gviYv¯¿ ˆZwi K‡i Zv‡K wK gvbyl ejv hvq? †h wk¶‡Ki
nv‡Z Zvi QvÎxi m¤£g bó nq Zv‡K wK gvbyl ejv hvq?
hw` we`¨v Øviv Avgiv Av‡jvwKZ nZvg Zvn‡j Rxe‡bi j¶¨ n‡Zv
Abb¨ gvbyl nIqv| cÖ_‡g Avgv‡K gvbyl n‡Z n‡e| gvbyl n‡Z n‡j Zvi
j¶¨ n‡e m„wói †mev Kiv, ˆRweK jvjmv PwiZv_© Kiv bq| Avi m„wói
†mevi R‡b¨ cÖ‡qvRb †gavi weKvk|
Avi †ckv n‡”Q †gav‡K weKwkZ Kivi gva¨g| Avgv‡K Avgvi †gav
weKwkZ Ki‡Z n‡e m„wói m‡e©vËg †mev Kivi R‡b¨, Rxe‡bi j¶¨ GUvB
nIqv DwPZ| A_©, weË, L¨vwZÑmeB Avm‡e evB-‡cÖvWv± wn‡m‡e| KviY
†mev cÖ`vb Ki‡j cÖK…wZi wbq‡gB Gme cÖwZ`vb wn‡m‡e Avm‡e| †ckv
j¶¨ AR©‡bi GKwU gva¨g A_©vr Dcj¶| wKš‘ Awe`¨vi Kvi‡Y GLb
Dcj¶¸‡jvB Avgv‡ì j¶¨ n‡q †M‡Q|
cÖkœ : †Kvb Kv‡Ri gva¨‡g Rxe‡b P~ovš— mv_©KZv AwR©Z n‡Z cv‡i? hvi
d‡j Avgiv cv‡ev Abš— cÖkvwš—?
DËi : Avm‡j wb‡R‡K Av‡jvwKZ Kivi KvR, wb‡R‡K Awe`¨v n‡Z gy³
Kivi KvRÑGi †P‡q fv‡jv KvR Avi wKQy n‡Z cv‡i e‡j Avgvi Rvbv
†bB| wb‡R‡K Av‡jvwKZ gvbyliƒ‡c M‡o Zzj‡j Avcwb Avcbvi †eu‡P
_vKvi KviY eyS‡Z cvi‡eb| hLb Avcwb eyS‡Z cvi‡eb Avcwb †Kb
†eu‡P _vK‡eb, †Kb KvR Ki‡eb, ZLbB Avcwb Abš— cÖkvwš— cv‡eb|
cÖkœ : Rxe‡b cÖ_g nIqv Ges Abb¨ gvbyl nIqvÑ`y‡Uv wK GKB? Rxe‡b
cÖ_g whwb n‡eb Zvi gv‡S Kx Kx ¸Yvewj _vK‡e? hviv c„w_ex‡Z
wb‡R‡ì mdj K‡i‡Qb ZvivB wK Rxe‡b cÖ_g?
DËi : Rxe‡b cÖ_g nIqv GKwU mvwe©K mvd‡jï bvg| Rxe‡b cÖ_g
nIqv Avi Abb¨ gvbyl nIqv GKB| whwb mªóvi mš‘wói R‡b¨ Zvi
†gav‡K me‡P‡q my›ìfv‡e weKwkZ K‡i‡Qb Avi Zv Kv‡R jvwM‡q‡Qb
m„wói Kj¨v‡Y, n‡q‡Qb Ávb Avi cÖvPz‡h©i Avavi Avi nvRvi gvby‡li
Avkªq¯’j| wZwbB Rxe‡b cÖ_g, wZwbB Abb¨ gvbyl|
Rxe‡b cÖ_g whwb, Zvi †Kv‡bv nZvkv ev AZ…wß _vK‡Z cv‡i bv|
Abb¨ gvbyl wb‡R Z…ß, †kvKi‡MvRvi| Z…wßi R‡b¨, kvwš—i R‡b¨ Zvi
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 23

Kv‡Q nvRv‡iv gvbyl Qy‡U Av‡m| wZwb nvRv‡iv gvby‡li fimv¯’j|
Kv‡RB whwb c„w_ex‡Z wb‡R‡K †ckvq mdj K‡i‡Qb, L¨vwZgvb
n‡q‡Qb, weËevb n‡q‡Qb Zvi †fZ‡i hw` nZvkv _v‡K, `ytL _v‡K Ges
wZwb hw` Z„ß bv nb, Zvn‡j wZwb Abb¨ gvbyl n‡Z cv‡ib wb| †hgb,
A‡bK wkíKviLvbvi gvwjK i‡q‡Qb, Zv‡ì A‡bK m¤úwË Av‡Q, A‡bK
Kg©Pvix Av‡Q, wKš‘ Zviv wK †mB Kg©Pvix‡ì Avkªq¯’j n‡Z †c‡i‡Qb?
AwaKvsk †¶‡ÎB cv‡ib wb| †mB Kg©PvixivB Zvi g„Zy¨‡Z g‡b g‡b
Avbw›`Z nq †h, GKw`b QywU cvIqv †Mj| A_©vr Rxe‡b cÖ_g ej‡Z
Avcwb hw` ïay êlwqK mvdj¨ †ev‡Sb Zvn‡j Rxe‡b cÖ_g Avi Abb¨
gvbyl GK bq|
cÖkœ : Rxe‡bi j¶¨ wVK Ki‡Z cviwQ bv, G‡KKevi G‡KKUv g‡b
n‡”Q| Kx Ki‡ev?
DËi : Av‡M gb‡K cÖkvš— Ki‡Z n‡e| hZ¶Y ch©š— Avcbvi gb cÖkvš—
bv n‡”Q Avcwb j¶¨ w¯’i Ki‡Z cvi‡eb bv| †h Kvi‡Y Avgv‡ì cÖ_g
PvIqv n‡”Q cÖkvwš—| gb cÖkvš— n‡j Avcbvi Aš—M©Z mËv Avcbvi g‡a¨
wek¦vm mÂvwiZ Ki‡e| ZLb Avcwb j¶¨ wba©viY Ki‡Z cvi‡eb|
GR‡b¨ wbqwgZ †gwW‡Ukb Ki“b, †gŠbmvabv A_©vr †Kvqv›Uvqb
Ki“b, m‡•Ni mv‡_ GKvZ¥ _vKzb| fv‡jv Kv‡R hZ wb‡R‡K mswk-ó
Ki‡eb g‡bi Aw¯’iZv ZZ Kg‡Z _vK‡e Ges j¶¨ w¯’i Kiv mnR n‡e|
gbQwe‡Z Kx †`L‡ev Kxfv‡e †`L‡ev
cÖkœ : gbQwei †gwW‡Uk‡bi cÖwµqv `qv K‡i Rvbv‡eb|
DËi : ai“b, Avcwb PvKwii R‡b¨ gbQwe Ki‡Z Pvb| G‡¶‡Î Avcwb
Gfv‡e PP©v Ki‡Z cv‡ib :
wbqggvwdK g‡bi evwoi ìevi K‡¶ hvb| Gevi gbQwe †`Lyb|
LuywUbvwUmn cwic~Y© `„k¨ Zz‡j ai“b G‡Kev‡i wfwWI Qwei g‡Zv| †`Lyb,
Avcwb Lye ¯§vU©fv‡e web‡qi mv‡_ Kg©KZ©vi Kv‡Q PvKwii Av‡e`bcÎ
w`‡q‡Qb| wZwb Av‡e`bcÎ D‡ëcv‡ë †`‡L c‡i Avmvi R‡b¨ ej‡jb|

Avcwb c‡i wM‡q Rvb‡jb †h, Avcbv‡K B›UviwfD †ev‡W©i mvg‡b nvwRi
n‡Z n‡e| wbw`©ó w`‡b B›UviwfD †ev‡W©i mvg‡b Avcwb nvwRi|
mevB Avcbv‡K †`‡L Drdzj- n‡q‡Qb| mevi cÖ‡kœi mwVK Reve
w`‡”Qb Avcwb| Kg©KZ©viv wb‡R‡ì g‡a¨ Av‡jvPbv K‡i Avcbvi
e¨vcv‡iB wm×vš— wb‡q‡Qb| Zv‡ì wb‡`©‡k Avcbvi R‡b¨ wb‡qvMcÎ
UvBc Kiv n‡”Q| c`¯’KZ©v wb‡qvMcÎ mB K‡i‡Qb| wb‡qvMcÎ Avcbvi
bv‡g cvVv‡bv n‡”Q| Avcwb evmvq wb‡qvMcÎ †c‡qB Avb‡›` D”Q¡wmZ
n‡q D‡V‡Qb| AvcbR‡biv Avcbv‡K Awfbw›`Z Ki‡Q| Avcwb
wb‡qvMcÎ wb‡q Awd‡m wM‡q‡Qb| Kv‡R †hvM`vb K‡i‡Qb| Avcbvi
R‡b¨ wba©vwiZ †Pqvi-‡Uwe‡j wM‡q e‡m‡Qb| Avcbvi R‡b¨ wba©vwiZ KvR
ey‡S wb‡”Qb| cwic~Y© Z…wßi mv‡_ KvR Ki‡Z ïi“ K‡i‡Qb| Gfv‡e
Avcbvi †h j¶¨ Zv c~iY nevi `„k¨ LyuwUbvwUmn †`Lyb|
cy‡iv QweUv Avcbv‡K mKj Bw›`ªq‡hv‡M Abyfe Ki‡Z n‡e| ev¯—‡e
PvKwi †c‡j Avcbvi g‡a¨ †h Abyf~wZ n‡Zv, gbQwe †`Lvi mgq wb‡Ri
g‡a¨ †m Abyf~wZ¸‡jv cy‡ivcywi wb‡q Avmyb| PvKwi cvIqvi ci gv-evev
fvB-‡ev‡bi gy‡L Avb‡›ì Abyf~wZ †`L‡j Avcbvi g‡a¨ †h fv‡ei D`q
n‡Zv, cy‡ivcywi †m fve wb‡q Avmyb| wcÖqR‡biv wgwógyL Kiv‡j Avcbvi
g‡a¨ †h Abyf~wZ Avm‡Zv, Zv-I m¤ú„³ Ki“b Ab¨vb¨ Bw›`ª‡qi Abyf~wZi
mv‡_| PvKwi cvIqvq eÜzevÜe‡ì g‡a¨ Avcbvi gh©v`v †hfv‡e †e‡o
†hZ, Zv Abyf~wZi mv‡_ cwic~Y©fv‡e wgwk‡q w`b| NUbvi mv‡_
Bw›`ªq¸‡jv‡K Ggbfv‡e m¤ú„³ K‡i †djyb, †hb Avcbvi Ae‡PZb gb
cy‡iv NUbv‡KB ev¯—e e‡j g‡b K‡i|
Avm‡j Ae‡PZb gb ev¯—e I Kíbvi g‡a¨ †Kv‡bv cv_©K¨ Ki‡Z
cv‡i bv| †mR‡b¨ Avgiv wm‡bgvq †Kv‡bv we‡qvMvš— ev Ki“Y `„k¨ †`‡L
†Ku‡` †dwj ev †Kv‡bv D‡ËRK `„k¨ †`‡L D‡ËwRZ n‡q DwV| hwÌ Rvwb
†h, Avgiv Awfbq †`LwQ gvÎ| ZvB †eKviZ¡ Aemv‡b wb‡Ri †h iƒc
Avcwb †`L‡Z Pvb, †m Qwe‡K ü`‡q I Bw›`ª‡q cy‡ivcywi †Mu‡_ †djyb|
Avcwb †h PvKwi †c‡q †M‡Qb, GUvB memgq g‡b Ki‡Z _vKzb| RvMÖZ
Ae¯’vqI Avcwb GKRb PvKwiRxexi g‡Zv AvPvi-AvPiY Ki“b| ev¯—‡e
fvb Ki“b Avcwb PvKwi †c‡q †M‡Qb, PvKwii †eZb †c‡q Kx Kx
Ki‡Qb, Zv-I Kíbvi †Pv‡L †`L‡Z _vKzb| memgq c~Y© Abyfe I
GKvZ¥Zvi mv‡_ PvKwi cvIqvi gbQwe †`Lyb| c~Y© wek¦vm I wbðqZvi
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 25

mv‡_ gbQwe †`Lyb| av‡c av‡c Kx Ki‡eb Avcbvi Ae‡PZb gbB Zv
Avcbv‡K e‡j †`‡e|
cÖwZw`b wbqwgZ GB Abykxjb K‡i hvb| KL‡bvB Avjm¨ I
MvdjwZ‡K cÖkªq †`‡eb bv| g‡bi evwo‡Z wb‡R‡K †`qv mKj
A‡Uvmv‡Rkbmn Abykxjb K‡i hvb| ev¯—‡e PvKwi cvIqvUv Avcbvi
R‡b¨ mg‡qi e¨vcvi gvÎ|
cÖkœ : Avwg †`‡ki R‡b¨ eo wKQz Ki‡Z PvB| cvkvcvwk my›`i cvwievwiK
Rxeb PvB| Avwg GL‡bv Rvwb bv †Kvb c‡_ Avwg j‡¶¨ †cuŠQ‡ev| ïay
j‡¶¨ †cuŠ‡Q †MwQ Giƒc gbQwe †`LwQ| Avgvi gbQwe wK n‡”Q?
DËi : Avm‡j gbQwe PP©vi R‡b¨ j¶¨ wbw`©ó KivB h‡_ó, †Kvb c‡_
j‡¶¨ †cuŠQ‡eb Zvi m‡PZb e¨vL¨v-we‡k-l‡Yi cÖ‡qvRb †bB| Ae‡PZb
gb Avjv`x‡bi ˆ`Z¨, Avcbvi †`qv gbQwei ev¯—e iƒcvq‡Y Kg©m~wP wVK
Kivi fvi Avcwb wbwðš— g‡b Zvi Ici †Q‡o w`‡Z cv‡ib| gbQwe‡K
g‡bi Mfx‡i †Mu‡_ w`‡Z cvi‡j Ae‡PZb gbB Avcbv‡K e‡j †`‡e †Kvb
c‡_ †cuŠQ‡eb| Avm‡j c‡_ bvg‡j c_B c_ †`Lvq| cÖ_g c`‡¶c
wb‡j wØZxq c`‡¶c Kx nIqv DwPZ Avcwb wb‡RB Zv eyS‡Z cvi‡eb|
cÖZ¨vwkZ cš’vq †nvK, AcÖZ¨vwkZ cš’vq †nvK j‡¶¨ Avcwb †cuŠQv‡ebB|
cÖkœ : gbQwe wK eZ©gv‡b †`L‡ev, bvwK fwel¨‡Z †`L‡ev? Kxfv‡e Kíbv
Ki‡Z n‡e D`vniY w`‡q eywS‡q w`b|
DËi : Avm‡j gbQwe †`Lvi mgq Avcbvi gbQwe †h mg‡q ev¯—evwqZ
n‡Z cv‡i, †mB mgqKv‡j Avcbv‡K P‡j †h‡Z n‡e| †mB Ae¯’vq wM‡q
wb‡R‡K †`L‡Z n‡e †h, I have achieved. A_©vr gbQwe‡Z fwel¨rUvB
eZ©gvb n‡q hv‡e|
KviY j¶¨ wb‡q wPš—v Ki‡j Zv m¤¢vebviƒ‡c weivR K‡i, Avi
j¶¨¯’j †_‡K wPš—v Ki‡j ev¯—eiƒc cvq| j¶¨¯’j †_‡K wbw¶ß
wPš—vZi½ mvdj¨‡K Pz¤^‡Ki g‡Zv AvKl©Y K‡i| Avcwb hw` gbQwe‡Z
Ae‡jvKb Ki‡Z cv‡ib †h, Avcwb †cÖwm‡W›U n‡q †M‡Qb, ZLb ev¯—‡e
†cÖwm‡W›U n‡j Avcbvi †h Abyf~wZ n‡Zv, †h AbyiYb n‡Zv, Avcbvi

g‡a¨ †mB AbyiYb m„wó n‡e| mvd‡jï GB AbyiYb ZLb ev¯—‡e
mvdj¨‡K Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó Ki‡e| GUvB gbQwei mvd‡jï
PvwjKvkw³| AZGe gbQwe‡Z fwel¨r‡KB eZ©gvb wn‡m‡e †`L‡Z n‡e|
cÖkœ : Avwg wgDwRwkqvb n‡Z PvB| Kxfv‡e gbQwe ˆZwi Ki‡ev?
DËi : GUv †Zv Lye PgrKvi| †`L‡eb jvL jvL wmwW †ewi‡q‡Q|
†jvKRb jvBb a‡i wKb‡Q, wUwf‡Z †mUvi Ic‡i Abyôvb n‡”Q|
†÷wWqv‡g Abyôvb n‡”Q| j¶ j¶ `k©K †kªvZv mevB evnev w`‡”Q,
nvZZvwj w`‡”Q|
cÖkœ : cix¶vi Av‡M I c‡i Kx iKg gbQwe †`L‡ev?
DËi : cix¶vi mgq gbQwei †P‡qI A‡Uvmv‡Rkb †ewk Kvh©Kix|
A‡Uvmv‡Rkb eB‡Z †jLvcovq g‡bv‡hvM, ¯§„wZ, VvÛv gv_vq cix¶v †`qv
BZ¨vw` bvbviKg wel‡q PgrKvi A‡Uvmv‡Rkb Av‡Q| Avcbvi cQ›` I
cÖ‡qvRb Abymv‡i †h‡Kv‡bvwU †e‡Q wb‡Z cv‡ib|
cÖkœ : RbwcÖqZv AR©b ev †fvU msMÖ‡ni R‡b¨ Kxfv‡e gbQwe †`L‡ev?
DËi : GUv wK e‡j †`qvi cÖ‡qvRb Av‡Q? †`Lyb, Avcwb weivU gv‡V
e³„Zv Ki‡Qb Avi mevB nvZZvwj w`‡”Q| gvjv w`‡”Q| †fv‡Ui w`b
mevB †fvU †K‡›`ª G‡m †fvU w`‡q P‡j hv‡”Q| Avcwb wbe©vwPZ n‡q‡Qb|
mevB Avcbv‡K Awfb›`b Rvbv‡”Q|
cÖkœ : †gwW‡Uk‡b Avgvi gbQwe †`LvUv KxiKg n‡e? g‡bi evwoi ìevi
K‡¶ e‡m †`LwQ, bv H Ae¯’vq P‡j †MwQ?
DËi : hZ¶Y gbQwe †`L‡eb, ZZ¶Y Avcwb gbQwei cwigÛ‡jB
wb‡R‡K Ae‡jvKb Ki‡eb, †mUv †Kv‡bv WªBsi“g †nvK ev Awdm i“g
†nvK ev †Lvjv gvV †nvK| gbQwe †`Lv †kl n‡j Avevi g‡bi evwoi
ìevi K‡¶ wb‡R‡K Abyfe Ki‡eb|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 27

cÖkœ : gbQwe Kxfv‡e †`L‡ev? hw` PvKwii gbQwei †¶‡Î Avwg †`wL,
fvBfv †ev‡W© wbe©vPKiv hv cÖkœ Ki‡Qb Zv-B cviwQ| Avwg ZLb ev¯—‡e
Avgvi nvZ-cv, †`n †hgb †`wL wKš‘ Avgvi gy‡Li †cQ‡bi Ask †`wL
bv, fvBfv †ev‡W© hviv _v‡Kb Zv‡ì‡K †`wL|
DËi : wVK Av‡Q|
cÖkœ : gbQwe‡Z Avwg †Kv‡bv NUbv NUvw”Q bv eis NUbvi Qwe‡K
¯^Ztù~Z©fv‡e Avm‡Z w`w”Q| welqwU fv‡jv K‡i eyS‡Z cvwi wb|
DËi : Avm‡j welqwU mnR| Gi A_© n‡”Q †Rvi K‡i Qwe‡K Avbvi
†Póv bv Kiv| A‡bK mgq Avgiv †Rvi K‡i GKUv welq †`L‡Z PvB|
Qwe Avm‡Q bv †Kb, Avm‡ZB n‡e| bvK-gyL KzuP‡K hvq| GUv bv K‡i
¯^vfvweK ¯^Ztù~Z© _vK‡eb| cÖZ¨vkv Ki‡Z _vKzb| Qwei Kíbv Ki‡Z
_vKzb| Qwe ¯^Ztù~Z©fv‡e P‡j Avm‡e|
cÖkœ : gbQwe fwel¨‡Zi KZ`~i ch©š— mg‡qi nIqv fv‡jv?
DËi : gbQwe hZ `~‡iiB †nvK †Kv‡bv Amyweav †bB| me��P‡q fv‡jv
n‡jv Avcbvi Rxe‡bi P~ovš— j¶¨‡K wb‡q gbQwe Kiv| KviY gaëZ©x
avç‡jv cvi bv n‡q †Zv Avcwb P~ovš— j‡¶¨ †cuŠQ‡Z cvi‡eb bv| P~ovš—
j‡¶ï Qwe hw` Ae‡PZ‡b _v‡K, Ae‡PZb gbB ZLb e‡j †`‡e gaëZ©x
avç‡jv Avcwb Kxfv‡e cvi n‡eb|
ai“b, Avcwb me©Rbkª‡×q GKRb wPwKrmK n‡Z Pvb| wPwKrmK
n‡Z n‡j Avcbv‡K Ggwb‡ZB GmGmwm, GBPGmwm‡Z fv‡jv †iRvë
Ki‡Z n‡e, †gwW‡K‡j fwZ© cix¶vq DËxY© n‡Z n‡e| Kv‡RB Avcwb
hw` wPwKrmK nIqvi gbQwe †`‡Lb, Zvn‡j GB cÖ‡Z¨KwU avc
¯^Ztù~Z©fv‡eB Avcbvi g‡b Avm‡Z _vK‡e| †hgb Avcwb kxl©¯’vbxq
me©Rbkª‡×q GKRb wPwKrmK n‡q‡Qb, †ivMxiv Avcbv‡K Avkªq¯’j
MY¨ Ki‡Q, Avcbvi R‡b¨ cÖvYf‡i †`vqv Ki‡Q, Avcwb me RvqMvq
m¤§vwbZ n‡”Qb...| GB Qwe‡K g‡b †Mu‡_ †djyb| gaëZ©x avç‡jv
¯^Ztù~Z©fv‡eB Avm‡e|

GKvwaK wel‡q gbQwe
cÖkœ : gbQwe‡Z Kx Kx welq Avm‡Z cv‡i? e¨w³MZ Rxeb ev cvwievwiK
Rxeb ev we‡`k ågY wb‡q Kxfv‡e gbQwe Ki‡ev?
DËi : e¨w³MZ Rxeb, cvwievwiK Rxeb, we‡`k ågY, cÖwZôvb
cwiPvjbvÑmewKQy wb‡qB gbQwe Ki‡Z cv‡ib| cÖwZwU †¶‡ÎB hv n‡Z
Pvb, gbQwe‡Z †`L‡eb Zv n‡q †M‡Qb| Avi mdj nIqvi Avb›`-
AbyiYb wb‡Ri †fZ‡i mÂvi Ki‡eb|
cÖkœ : gbQwe‡Z cvkvcvwk `y‡Uv j¶¨ hw` w¯’i Kwi, A_©vr Avwg e¨emvi
cvkvcvwk hw` mdj PvKwiRxex n‡Z PvB Zvn‡j wK Amyweav n‡e?
DËi : cvkvcvwk `y‡Uv j¶¨ w¯’i Ki‡Z cv‡ib hw` ci¯úiwe‡ivax bv
nq| Avcwb mdj PvKwiRxex Ges mdj MvqK nIqvi gbQwe GKmv‡_
†`L‡Z cv‡ib| GUv mvsNwl©K bq| wKš‘ mdj e¨emvqx Ges mdj
PvKwiRxex `y‡UvB hw` Avcwb †`‡Lb GUv mvsNwl©K n‡q †Mj| KviY G
`y‡Uv GKmv‡_ nIqv m¤¢e bq|
cÖkœ : Avwg wZb eQi hveZ GKwU µxov msMV‡b cÖ¨vKwUm Kwi| Avgvi
gbQwe AvcvZZ `ywUÑ1. fv‡jv wµ‡KUvi nIqv| 2. †jLvcov †kl K‡i
GKRb †Kweb µz nIqv| eZ©gv‡b Avwg I-‡j‡f‡j cowQ| GLb cÖkœ
n‡jv, GKB mv‡_ wK `ywU gbQwe †`Lv hv‡e?
DËi : GKB mv‡_ `ywU †Kb, `y‡qi †ewkI gbQwe †`Lv hv‡e| wKš‘ kZ©
n‡jv gbQwe¸‡jv n‡Z n‡e cwic~iK| ci¯úiwe‡ivax ev mvsNwl©K n‡Z
cvi‡e bv| wKš‘ Avcbvi †¶‡Î gbQwe¸‡jv n‡q †M‡Q ci¯úiwe‡ivax|
†hgb, GKRb fv‡jv wµ‡KUvi n‡Z n‡j Avcbv‡K cy‡iv mgqUvB
wµ‡K‡Ui R‡b¨ w`‡Z n‡e| cÖ¨vKwUm Ki‡Z n‡e, †Lj‡Z n‡e,
cÖwZ‡hvwMZvq Ask wb‡Z n‡e Ges GKmgq †ckv wn‡m‡eB wµ‡KU‡K
†e‡Q wb‡Z n‡e|
Avevi †Kweb-µz n‡Z PvB‡j Avcbv‡K gv‡mi †ewkifvM mgq
_vK‡Z n‡e wegv‡b, AvKv‡k| Zvi Av‡M †Kweb-µz nIqvi cÖ‡qvRbxq
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 29

`¶Zv, †KŠkj iß Ki‡Z n‡e| Rvb‡Z n‡e K¬v‡q›U‡K mš‘ó Kivi
AvU©| KviY wegv‡b wewfbœ ai‡bi hvÎx‡K m‡e©vËg †mev †`qv LyeB
`vwqZ¡c~Y© Ges P¨v‡jwÄs GKwU KvR| AZGe GB wecixZgyLx gbQwe
Avcbvi gw¯—®‹ MÖnY Ki‡e bv, ev¯—evwqZ nIqv †Zv c‡ii K_v|
Avcbv‡K Gi ga¨ †_‡K †h‡Kv‡bv GKUv‡K †e‡Q wb‡Z n‡e Ges
gbQweI †`L‡Z n‡e †mfv‡e|
cÖkœ : gbQwe‡Z GKwU welq †`Lvi Kvh©KvwiZv wK GKvwaK welq †`Lvi
†P‡q †ewk kw³kvjx n‡e?
DËi : Avm‡j j¶¨ hw` GKUv _v‡K Avi †mUvi †cQ‡b Avcwb 30
wgwbU mgq e¨q K‡ib, Avi Avjv`v Avjv`v cuvPUv j¶¨ wgwj‡q hw`
Avcwb 30 wgwbU mgq e¨q K‡ib Zvn‡j j¶¨cÖwZ Avcwb cÖ_g‡¶‡Î
cv‡”Qb 30 wgwbU Avi wØZxq‡¶‡Î cv‡”Qb Qq wgwbU| AZGe Zv‡Z
wKQy NvUwZ †Zv n‡eB| Z‡e j¶¨¸‡jv hw` cwic~iK nq ZLb wfbœ K_v|
cÖkœ : GKvwaK j¶¨ w¯’i wK †gwW‡Uk‡bi Av‡MB K‡i †b‡ev?
DËi : Aek¨B Av‡M wVK K‡i †b‡eb| Zv bv n‡j ILv‡b wM‡q GUv bv
†mUv Ki‡Z Ki‡ZB †`L‡eb mgq cvi n‡q hv‡”Q|
cÖkœ : GKvwaK gbQwe wK Avjv`vfv‡e GKUvi ci GKUv †`‡L hv‡ev?
DËi : Avjv`v Avjv`v bq, Avm‡j me‡P‡q fv‡jv nq GKB gbQwe‡Z
me¸‡jv welq‡K wb‡q Avm‡Z cvi‡j| A_©vr PvIqv GKUvB, wKš‘ Zv‡Z
meB _vK‡e| A‡bKUv †mB ¸i“-wk‡l¨i M‡íi g‡Zv|
GK wkl¨ Zvi ¸i“i Lye †mev-ïkÖƒlv Kivq ¸i“ mš‘ó n‡q Zv‡K
Avkxe©v` Ki‡jb| Rvb‡Z PvB‡jb Zvi Ggb GKwU B”Qvi K_v hv wZwb
c~iY K‡i †`‡eb| Z‡e kZ© n‡jv, PvB‡Z n‡e †Kej GKUvB, Zvi †ewk
bq| wkl¨ ZLb fw³f‡i Rvbv‡jv †h, Zvi PvIqv GKUvB| Avi Zv
n‡jvÑÔAvwg mvZgnjv evwo‡Z †mvbvi cvj‡¼ ï‡q my¯’ kix‡i bvwZcywZ
cwi‡ewóZ Ae¯’vq Z…wßi mv‡_ gviv †h‡Z PvB|Õ ¸i“ ZLb ej‡jb,

ÔPvIqvi Zzwg Avi evwK ivL‡j Kx?Õ Zvi G PvIqvi g‡a¨ kvixwiK,
gvbwmK, Avw_©K, cvwievwiK Ges AvwZ¥KÑmeB wQ‡jv|
Avm‡j PvIqvi cÖK…wZ GUvB| ZvB gbQwe n‡jv Avcbvi Rxe‡bi
me¸‡jv †¶‡Îi j‡¶¨i GKUv mgwš^Z iƒc| GUv Avcwb GKm‡½B
†`L‡Z cv‡ib|
KLb, KZevi, KZ¶Y
cÖkœ : †Kv‡bv GKwU gbQwe Ki‡j wK Zv evi evi Ki‡Z n‡e?
DËi : cÖwZw`b Kgc‡¶ `yBevi †gwW‡UwUf †j‡f‡j gbQwei PP©v Ki‡eb
hZw`b ch©š— Zv ev¯—eiƒc bv cvq| Avi ev¯—‡e mviv¶Y gbQwei mv‡_
GKvZ¥ _vK‡eb, hLbB my‡hvM cvb gbQwei K_v g‡b Ki‡eb|
cÖkœ : cÖwZevi wewfbœ wel‡q gbQwe Kiv hv‡e wK?
DËi : Avm‡j cÖwZevi hw` wewfbœ wel‡q gbQwe K‡ib Avcbvi gw¯—®‹
weåvš— n‡e| †m †KvbUv †Q‡o †KvbUv ev¯—evwqZ Ki‡e eyS‡Z cvi‡e bv|
AZGe GKwU ev wbw`©ó K‡qKwU gbQwei PP©v Ki‡Z _vKzb hZw`b Zv
ev¯—evwqZ bv nq|
cÖkœ : gbQwe KLb †`Lv fv‡jv? KgvÛ †m›Uv‡i hvIqvi Av‡M, bv c‡i?
DËi : KgvÛ †m›Uv‡i hvIqvi Av‡M|
cÖkœ : wkw_j cÖwµqvq wkw_jvq‡b gbQwei mgq gvÎ `yB wgwbU| Avwg
Rvb‡Z Pvw”Q hLb my‡ii gv‡S †f‡m †eov‡bvi K_v ejv nq ZLbI wK
gbQwe †`Lv hv‡e?
DËi : †evSv hv‡”Q gbQwe †`LvUv Avcbvi Lye cQ‡›`i| wkw_jvqb
K¨v‡m‡U hLb my‡ii gv‡S †f‡m †eov‡bvi K_v ejv nq ZLb Avcwb
gbQwe Ki‡Z cv‡ib| PvB‡j myi †kl n‡q hvIqvi ciI gbQwe‡Z Wy‡e
_vK‡Z cv‡ib| †Kv‡bv Amyweav †bB|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 31

†`L‡Z bv †c‡j
cÖkœ : gw¯—®‹ Qwei fvlv fv‡jv †ev‡S, wKš‘ Avgvi †Kv‡bv QweB Av‡m bv|
Kíbv KwiÑn‡”Q| wKš‘ †miKg Qwe GL‡bv cvB wb, Kx Ki‡ev?
DËi : PP©v Ki‡Z _vKzb| †`L‡eb Avm‡e| we‡klZ wmwW b¤^i 7-G
Kíbvi †gwW‡Uk‡b Ae‡jvKb ev wfRyqvjvB‡Rkb ¶gZv e„w×i R‡b¨
wKQy PP©v Av‡Q| G¸‡jv Ki‡Z cv‡ib|
cÖkœ : gbQwe †`Lvi mgq G‡jv‡g‡jv `„k¨ †f‡m I‡V| hv wb‡q gbQwe
†`L‡ev Zv Avi nq bv, Kx Ki‡ev? GKB cÖZ¨qb wK evi evi †`qv hvq?
DËi : Ab¨ G‡jv‡g‡jv `„k¨ Avmvi KviY Avcbvi g‡bv‡hvM wew¶ß|
ZvB g‡bv‡hvMUv †K›`ªxf~Z Ki‡Z n‡e| GR‡b¨ A‡Uvmv‡Rkb w`‡Z
_vK‡eb| Ab¨ G‡jv‡g‡jv `„k¨ P‡j G‡j †mUv‡K ZIev ZIev ev evwZj
evwZj e‡j mwi‡q †`‡eb| GKB cÖZ¨qb evi eviB Ki‡Z n‡eÑhZ¶Y
ch©š— cÖZ¨qb ev¯—evwqZ bv n‡”Q|
gbQwei mgqmxgv
cÖkœ : gbQwe ev¯—evq‡bi mgqmxgv Avi gvÎ K‡qK gvm| Avwg wK
µgvMZ †Kvqv›Uvqb Ki‡Z _vK‡ev? bvwK cvkvcvwk wewfbœ †m›Uv‡i
GKmv‡_ wnwjs-I Pvwj‡q †h‡Z _vK‡ev| GeviB †klevi| Gi Av‡M
wZbevi e¨_© n‡qwQ| `qv K‡i mywbw`©ó wUcm †`‡eb|
DËi : gbQwei mgq wbw`©ó Ki‡j Avcbvi g‡a¨B Zv †Ubkb m„wó
Ki‡e| Avcwb †gwW‡UwUf †j‡f‡jB †h‡Z cvi‡eb bv| mxwgZ mg‡q
j¶¨ c~i‡Yi R‡b¨ eis A‡Uvmv‡Rkb e¨envi Kiv fv‡jv|
Avi wZbevi †Kb e¨_© n‡q‡Qb Zvi KviY AbymÜvb Ki“b| Avcbvi
nq cÖ¯‘wZi Afve Av‡Q, bv nq AvZ¥wek¦v‡m NvUwZ Av‡Q ev wb‡R‡K
Dc¯’vcb Kivi †¶‡Î RoZv Av‡Q| GB e¨_©Zvi KviY‡K wPwýZ K‡i Zv
`~i Kivi R‡b¨ ev¯—e c`‡¶c wbb| Zv bv n‡j wnwjs ev †`vqvÑ
†Kv‡bvUvB KvR Ki‡e bv|

cÖkœ : Rxe‡bi gbQwe †Zv Av‡QB, wKš‘ G gyn~‡Z© Avgvi †jLvcov wb‡q
gbQwe †`LvUv Lye Ri“wi| Avwg AvcvZZ †mUvB †`L‡ev, bvwK Ab¨
gbQwe †`L‡ev?
DËi : cix¶vi †h‡nZz mgqmxgv Av‡Q †m‡nZz Gi R‡b¨ gbQwe bv K‡i
A‡Uvmv‡Rkb †`qv †ewk Kvh©Ki|
gbQwei †hŠw³KZv
cÖkœ : wek¦vm ev Av¯’v gbQwei †¶‡Î KZLvwb ¸i“Z¡c~Y©?
DËi : gbQwe‡Z Avcbvi 100% Av¯’v _vK‡Z n‡e| hw` Avcwb wek¦vm
Ki‡ZB bv cv‡ib Zvn‡j Zv gbQwe _vK‡e bv, AvKvkKzmyg Kíbv ev
w`ev¯^‡cœ cwiYZ n‡e| gbQwe‡K Avcbvi gw¯—®‹ ev¯—e e‡j MÖnY Ki‡j
Z‡eB Zv Avcbvi g‡a¨ cwieZ©‡bi m~Pbv Ki‡e|
cÖkœ : †gwW‡UkbKv‡j gbQwei †hŠw³KZv wb‡q wPš—v Kiv hv‡e wK?
DËi : gbQwei †gwW‡Ukb Kivi mgq GUv †hŠw³K n‡jv, bv A‡hŠw³K
n‡jv Zv wb‡q wPš—v Kiv hv‡e bv| KviY A‡hŠw³K g‡b Ki‡jB †mUv Avi
gbQwe _vK‡Q bv| †hŠw³K bv A‡hŠw³KÑG wPš—v Ki‡Z n‡e gbQwe
Kivi Av‡M|
cÖkœ : gbQwe †hŠw³K I ev¯—ewfwËK n‡Z n‡e| Gi gv‡b Kx?
DËi : Avm‡j ev¯—ewfwËK gbQwe n‡”Q Ggb gbQwe hv AR©b Kiv m¤¢e
e‡j Avcwb wek¦vm Ki‡Z cv‡ib| Ab¨ †KD wek¦vm Ki“K ev bv Ki“K,
AvcvZ`„wó‡Z gbQwei ev¯—evqb hZB `ytmva¨ g‡b †nvKÑwKQy hvq Av‡m
bv| ¸i“Z¡c~Y© n‡”Q, Avcwb G‡K m¤¢e e‡j wek¦vm K‡ib wK bv|
ai“b, Avcwb hw` GLb wPš—v K‡ib †h, luv‡oi Kx my›`i euvKv‡bv wks!
wVK Av‡QÑAvwg gbQwe †`wL, Avgvi gv_vq `y‡Uv wks MwR‡q‡Q| GUv
Avcbvi gw¯—®‹ MÖnY Ki‡e bv| hw` Lye †ewk g‡bv‡hvM †`b †mLv‡b `y‡Uv
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 33

wUDgvi n‡Z cv‡i| wKš‘ wks n‡e bv KviY Avcbvi wWGbG-i †cÖvMÖv‡g
wks †bB| GUv n‡”Q Aev¯—e|
wKsev ai“b, Avcwb GKRb cywjk Awdmvi| †hŠ_ Awfhv‡b wM‡q
†`L‡jb †h, cywjk Awdmv‡ii †P‡q Avwg© Awdmv‡ii ¸i“Z¡ †ewk| Avcwb
fve‡jb, †gwW‡Ukb hLb wk‡LwQ gbQwe K‡i Pxd Ae Avwg© ÷vd n‡ev|
GUv Avcbvi gw¯—®‹ MÖnY Ki‡e bv| KviY Avcwb H cÖwµqvq †bB| wKš‘
Avcwb BÝ‡c±i †Rbv‡ij Ae cywjk nevi gbQwe Ki‡Z cv‡ib, KviY
Avcwb cÖwµqvi g‡a¨ Av‡Qb|
A_ev ai“b, Avcwb Lye mdj eëmvqx| 40 eQi eqm n‡q †M‡Q,
wKš‘ Avcbvi GK dvBj mwP‡ei ILv‡b wM‡q AvU‡K †Mj| Avcwb
eyS‡jb †h, Avcbvi A‡bK UvKv _vK‡Z cv‡i wKš‘ mwP‡ei Kjg Lye
kw³kvjx| fve‡jbÑmwPe n‡ev| eëmv ev` w`‡q gbQwe Ki‡jb mwPe
nIqvi| GUvI Avcbvi gw¯—®‹ MÖnY Ki‡e bv|
Avevi 20 jvL UvKv FY n‡q †M‡Q, 20 †KvwU UvKvi gbQwe
Ki‡Qb| GUv ev¯—e| 20 jvL UvKv FY n‡”Q Avcbvi eZ©gvb, 20 †KvwU
UvKvi gbQwe n‡”Q fwel¨r| GLv‡b eZ©gvb Ges fwel¨‡Zi †Kv‡bv Ø›Ø
†bB| †hgb, Avcwb 100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqvi gbQwe Ki‡Z
cv‡ib| GUv Aek¨B †hŠw³K| KviY AvR‡K evsjv‡`‡k 100 †KvwU
UvKvi gvwjK Ggb A‡b‡K Av‡Qb hviv Lye mvaviY Ae¯’v †_‡K, nq‡Zv
100 UvKv wb‡q hvÎv ïi“ K‡iwQ‡jb| AZGe 100 †KvwU UvKv AR©b
†Kv‡bv Aev¯—e wKQy bq| A_©vr Avcbvi gbQwe hZ eo †nvK Zv‡Z
†Kv‡bv Amyweav †bB, wKš‘ Zv †hb Aev¯—e ev A‡hŠw³K bv nq| Avcwb
wb‡R †hb Zv m¤¢e e‡j wek¦vm Ki‡Z cv‡ib|
Z‡e Gi mv‡_ mgq Ges my‡hv‡Mi welqwUI ¸i“Z¡c~Y©| GKevi GK
`¤úwZ †M‡jb fviZ åg‡Y| AvMÖvq Nyi‡Z Nyi‡Z K¬vš— n‡q ¯¿x AvMÖv
†dvU©-G Ôìev‡i AvgÕÑ†hLv‡b gq~i wmsnvmb wQ‡jv, GLb †hLv‡b ïay
†k¦Zcv_‡ii †e`x, †mLv‡b e‡m co‡jb| †`‡L Zvi ¯^vgx ej‡jb, †`L,
†Zvgvi fvM¨ Lye fv‡jv| Zzwg 300 eQi ci Rb¥MÖnY K‡i‡Qv| 300
eQi Av‡M hw` GB †e`x‡Z em‡Z PvB‡Z Zvn‡j nq †Zvgvi †`n †_‡K
gv_v Avjv`v n‡q †hZ A_ev eû gvby‡li †`n †_‡K gv_v Avjv`v K‡i
Zvici †Zvgv‡K GLv‡b G‡m em‡Z n‡Zv| A_©vr mg‡qiI GKUv e¨vcvi
_v‡K| Avgv‡ì Kv‡Q AvR‡K †h my‡hvM i‡q‡Q 100 eQi Av‡M Rb¥MÖnY

Ki‡j GB my‡hvM Avgv‡ì mvg‡b _vK‡Zv bv| Avcbv‡K mgq †`L‡Z
n‡e, my‡hvM †`L‡Z n‡e, cvwicvwk¦©K cwigÛjUv †`L‡Z n‡eÑZvici
j¶¨ w¯’i Ki‡Z n‡e|
cÖkœ : Avgvi gbQwe Avgv‡K DÏxcbv †hvMvq, †cÖiYv †`q, mvnm Ges
kw³ †`q| Zvn‡j wK Avgvi gbQwe wVK Av‡Q? Avgvi gbQwe AvKvk-
cvZvj Kíbv bv| †Zv weUv †j‡f‡j gbQwe †`Lvi mv‡_ Kx Abyfe nevi
K_v hv‡Z †evSv hvq †h, j¶¨ wVK Av‡Q?
DËi : Avcbvi gbQwe Avcbv‡K DÏxcbv I †cÖiYv †hvMvq, mvnm I
kw³ †`q| G¸‡jv gbQwe Ae‡PZ‡b †Mu‡_ hvIqvi j¶Y| Avm‡j gbQwe
ïay PvIqvi bvg bq, gbQwe n‡jv PvIqv Ges GKB mv‡_ cvIqvi
cÖwµqvq mshy³ nIqv| Avi cvIqvi cÖwµqvq mshy³ n‡j PvIqv
iƒcvš—wiZ nq cÖZ¨vkvq| †hgb, Avwg gv n‡evÑGUv GK ai‡bi PvIqv|
wKš‘ Avwg gv nw”QÑI am expecting a babyÑGUv GKUv cÖwµqv|
gbQwei cÖwµqvI GKB| G cÖwµqvq hviv cÖ‡ek K‡ib Zviv gbQwei
mv‡_ m½wZc~Y© kvixwiK, gvbwmK cwieZ©b Abyfe K‡ib| Avcwb GB
cwieZ©bB Abyfe Ki‡Qb| Avcbvi gbQwe ev¯—evwqZ nIqv GLb mg‡qi
e¨vcvi gvÎ|
cÖkœ : Avwg eZ©gvb eQiwU‡K wb‡Ri R‡b¨ D”Q¡v‡mi eQi wn‡m‡e ¯§iYxq
K‡i ivL‡Z PvB| GiB avivevwnKZvq PvB mdj K¨vwiqvi MVb Ki‡Z
Ges GKB mv‡_ PvB êevwnK Rxe‡b cÖ‡ek Ki‡Z| G `y‡Uv gbQwe
cvkvcvwk †`Lv KZUzKz hyw³hy³ n‡e?
DËi : Avcwb êevwnK Rxe‡b cÖ‡ek Ki‡Z hv‡”Qb GwU Aek¨B †Kv‡bv
A‡hŠw³K KvR bq| whwb PvKwi K‡ibÑK¨vwiqvwi÷, wZwbI we‡q K‡ib|
`y‡Uv Avjv`v welq| K¨vwiqvi Ges êevwnK RxebÑ`y‡Uvi gbQwe GK‡Î
†`L‡Z †Kv‡bv mgm¨v †bB eis mgqg‡Zv †`Lv fv‡jv| we‡qi wm×vš—
wb‡Z n‡j mgqg‡Zv †bqv DwPZ| A‡b‡K wm×vš— wb‡Z A‡bK mgq †bb|
we‡q Kiv, bv Kiv cÖ‡Z¨‡Ki e¨w³MZ wm×vš—, Z‡e we‡q Ki‡j mgqg‡Zv
Ki‡eb| Avcwb †h‡nZz g‡b Ki‡Qb we‡q Kivi R‡b¨ PjwZ eQi
Avcbvi R‡b¨ fv‡jv mgq, gbQwe †`L‡Z †Kv‡bv Amyweav †bB|
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j¶¨vbyiYb
cÖkœ : j¶¨vbyiYb welqwU Avwg fv‡jvfv‡e eyS‡Z cvwi wb, `qv K‡i
eywS‡q ej‡eb wK?
DËi : j¶¨vbyiYb n‡”QÑAvcbvi j¶¨ AwR©Z n‡j Avcbvi g‡a¨ †h
Abyf~wZ n‡Zv †mB Abyf~wZ wb‡Ri †fZi †_‡K wewKiY Kiv|
Avm‡j cÖK…wZi wbqg n‡”Q, hv Avcbvi †fZi †_‡K wewKwiZ n‡e
†mUvB Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó n‡e| KweZv wewKiY Ki‡eb, KweZv
Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó n‡e| N„Yv wewKiY Ki‡eb, N„Yv Avcbvi w`‡K
AvK…ó n‡e| ggZv wewKiY Ki‡eb, ggZv Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó n‡e|
mvd‡j¨i Abyf~wZ wewKiY Ki‡eb, mvdj¨ Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó n‡e|
MuvRvi Abyf~wZ wewKiY Ki‡eb, MuvRv Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó n‡e|
ai“b, Avcwb †h Mwj‡Z _v‡Kb †m Mwji gy‡LB Av‡Q GK cv‡bi
†`vKvb| Avcwb cÖ‡Z¨K w`b †mLvb †_‡K cvb wK‡b cvb wPey‡Z wPey‡Z
Awd‡m hvb| 15 eQi a‡i GUvB Avcbvi cÖwZw`‡bi i“wUb|
gRvi e¨vcvi n‡”Q, GB †`vKv‡b †h MuvRv wewµ nq, 15 eQi a‡i
cvb wK‡b †L‡jI Avcwb Zv Rv‡bb bv| A_P w`bvRcyi †_‡K †Kv‡bv
GK MuvRv‡Lvi‡K Avcbvi Mwj‡Z G‡b †Q‡o †`b| cÖ_gevi †`vKv‡b
G‡mB †m †`vKvb`v‡ii mv‡_ †jb‡`b K‡i †dj‡e| †Kv‡bv fvlv jvM‡e
bv, †PbvRvbv jvM‡e bv| †Kb? KviY GB MuvRv‡Lv‡ii gv_v †_‡K ïay
GKUvB wPš—v wewKiY n‡”QÑMuvRv †Kv_vq! MuvRv †Kv_vq! MuvRv †Kv_vq!
Avi †`vKvb`v‡ii gv_v †_‡K Kx †e‡iv‡”Q? MuvRv GBLv‡b! MuvRv
GBLv‡b! MuvRv GBLv‡b! GKRb ïay Av‡iKR‡bi †Pv‡Li w`‡K ZvKv‡e,
e¨m, †jb‡`b n‡q hv‡e|
A_P Avcwb †h 15 eQi a‡i Zv‡K †P‡bb, Avcwb Zv‡K wR‡Ám K‡i
†`‡Lb, ÔMuvRv Av‡Q bvwK, GKUz `vI †ZvÕ| Avcbvi w`‡K †m ZvwK‡q
ej‡e ÔMuvRv? wK‡mi MuvRv? MuvRv w`qv Kx K‡iÕ?ÑGgb fvb Ki‡e †hb
†m wKQyB Rv‡b bv| KviY MuvRv kãwU Avcbvi gyL w`‡q †e‡iv‡”Q, †eªb
†_‡K †e‡iv‡”Q bv, gb †_‡K †e‡iv‡”Q bv| †m Avcbv‡K †`‡LB eyS‡Z
cvi‡QÑMuvRvi e¨vcv‡i Avcwb `yB b¤^i †jvK, Avcbvi Ab¨ †Kv‡bv
gZje Av‡Q| Avcwb MuvRv‡Lvi bv|

A_©vr Avcbvi †fZ‡i hv AbyiwYZ n‡e †mUvB Avcbvi w`‡K AvK…ó
n‡Z _vK‡e| Avcwb hw` †cÖwm‡W›U n‡Z Pvb †cÖwm‡W›U n‡j †h iKg myL
myL Abyf~wZ n‡Zv †m Abyf~wZ †fZ‡i wb‡q Avm‡Z n‡e| †cÖwm‡W‡›Ui
†Pqv‡i em‡Z cvi‡j †Pnvivq †h †Rj-v n‡Zv, †mB †Rj-v hw` GLbB
Kíbvq Abyfe Ki‡Z cv‡ib, Zvn‡j Avcbvi †cÖwm‡W›U nIqv ïay
mg‡qi e¨vcvi|
mve©¶wYK m¤ú„³Zv
cÖkœ : gbQwei Kvh©KvwiZvi 4 b¤î kZ© n‡”Q gbQwei mv‡_ mve©¶wYK
m¤ú„³Zv AR©b, gbQwei cÖwZ ALÛ g‡bv‡hvM `vb| gbQwei mv‡_
mve©¶wYK m¤ú„³Zv Kxfv‡e AR©b Ki‡ev? ALÛ g‡bv‡hvM Kx? Avgvi
D‡Ïk¨ hw` nq 100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqv Zvn‡j Kx K‡i Zvi
Ici g‡bv‡hvM †`‡ev?
DËi : mve©¶wYK m¤ú„³Zvi A_© kq‡b-¯^c‡b Avnv‡i-wenv‡i memgq
j¶Üv †Pv‡Li mvg‡b _vKv| †hgb, Avgv‡ì QvqvQwei bvqK hLb
eywoM½v b`x‡Z †bŠKv evB‡Z evB‡Z hvq, b`xi cvwb‡Z Kvi Qwe †`‡L?
bvwqKvi Qwe| bvwqKv Avqbvq Pzj AuvPov‡Z AuvPov‡Z Kvi Qwe †`‡L?
bvq‡Ki Qwe| GR‡b¨ †`L‡eb Avgv‡ì QvqvQwe‡Z †Kv‡bv e¨_©Zv †bB|
KviY gbQwe GLv‡b Lye kw³kvjx|
Kv‡RB Avcbvi D‡Ïk¨ hw` nq 100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqv
Zvn‡j Avcbv‡K †mB gbQweB †`L‡Z n‡e| †`Lyb, Avcwb 100 †KvwU
UvKvi gvwjK n‡q †M‡Qb| 100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK n‡j †hfv‡e AvPiY
Ki‡ZbÑAvcbvi eënvi, Kg©c×wZ †hiKg n‡Zv, †miKg AvPiY
Ki“b| cÖ‡qvR‡b ev¯—‡e GiKg GKRb abx‡K †`‡L wbb †h, Zvi
AvPiY-Kg©c×wZ †Kgb|
wb‡R‡K memgq 100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK g‡b Ki“b| GUvB
mve©¶wYK m¤ú„³Zv| Avi ALÛ g‡bv‡hvM n‡”Q, 100 †KvwU UvKvi
gvwjK †h AvcwbÑGB wek¦vmUv‡K `„p ivLv Ges kq‡b-¯^c‡b memgq H
fvebvB fvev|
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cÖkœ : GKRb `wi`ª †jv‡Ki c‡¶ ab-Hk¦‡h©i gbQwe †`‡L abx †jv‡Ki
g‡Zv AvPiY Kiv Kxfv‡e m¤¢e? KviY †m †Zv `wi`ª| abxi g‡Zv LiP
Ki‡Z _vK‡j †Zv Zvi mviv gv‡mi ev‡RU GKw`‡b LiP n‡q hv‡e?
DËi : GLv‡bB n‡”Q gRv| Avwg wb‡RB Avgvi mxgve×Zv ˆZwi KiwQ|
g‡b KiwQ, Avwg `wi`ª| abx n‡Z cvi‡ev bv| AZGe AvPiY KiwQ
Mwi‡ei g‡Zv| wKš‘ †f‡e †`Lyb, Avcbvi Afve‡eva _vK‡e †Kb?
Avj-vni `ywbqvq Avcwb wb‡R‡K †Kb mxwgZ K‡i †b‡eb?
Avcwb eo‡jvK n‡q †M‡Qb GB AvPiYUv evB‡i Ki‡eb bv| Ki‡eb
g‡b| 100 †KvwU UvKv n‡j †h `vb-LqivZ Ki‡Zb †mUv Avmvi Av‡MB
hw` †`qv ïi“ K‡i †`b, Zvn‡j fyj n‡e| myLvbyf~wZUv m„wó Ki‡eb g‡b|
eo‡jvK n‡j Avcbvi g‡b †h myL Avm‡Zv †mB myLvbyf~wZ wb‡q Avmyb|
100 †KvwU UvKvi gvwjK n‡j gvby‡li mv‡_ †h AvZ¥wek¦vm wb‡q
wgk‡Zb, †mfv‡e wgïb| †`Lyb A_© Kxfv‡e Av‡m| A_©vr cwieZ©b
Avm‡Z n‡e g‡b| g‡b cwieZ©b G‡j ev¯—eZvI e`‡j hv‡e|
cÖkœ : Avcwb ej‡jb †h, gbQwei mvd‡j¨i R‡b¨ cÂ Bw›`ª‡qi mshyw³
NUv‡Z| wKš‘ Avgvi Amyweav n‡”Q Avwg ïaygvÎ a¨vbve¯’vq gbQwei mv‡_
GKvZ¥ nB| Ab¨mgq n‡Z cvwi bv ev nIqvi R‡b¨ ZvwM` Abyfe Kwi
bv| Z‡e wK Avwg gbQwei m‡½ GKvZ¥ nw”Q bv?
DËi : cÂ Bw›`ª‡qi me¸‡jv Abyf~wZ‡KB GKÎ K‡i e¨envi Ki‡Z
n‡e| Avm‡j Ab¨mgqI Avcbv‡K ZvwM` Abyfe Ki‡Z n‡e| hLbB
my‡hvM cv‡”Qb, mgq cv‡”Qb ZLbB wb‡R‡K gbQwei †mB mdj gvbyl
wn‡m‡eB fve‡eb|
cÖkœ : g‡bi evwo‡Z †h gbQwe KiwQ, ¯^cœI Zv-B †`LwQ| Av‡M †Zgb
¯^cœ †`LZvg bv| GLb wbqwgZ gbQwe †`LwQ, †mB mv‡_ ¯^cœI| GUv wK
BwZevPK?
DËi : Aek¨B BwZevPK| GiKg n‡j †Zv K_vB †bB, kq‡b-¯^c‡b
memgq Avcbvi gbQwe| ¯^‡cœI Avcwb gbQwe †`L‡Qb GR‡b¨
Avcbv‡K Avgiv Awfb›`b Rvbvw”Q|

bxi‡e KvR
cÖkœ : cÖvPz‡h©i †¶‡Î bxi‡e KvR Kiv ej‡Z hv †evSv‡bv n‡”Q gwnjv‡ì
c‡¶ Zv cy‡ivcywi gvbv m¤¢e n‡”Q bv| KviY G‡KK cwiev‡ii †cÖ¶vcU
G‡KKiKg| gwnjv‡ì KiYxq Kx n‡e eywS‡q ej‡eb|
DËi : bxi‡e KvR gv‡b †Mvc‡b KvR bq| bxi‡e Kv‡Ri A_©ÑA‡nZzK
nB PB ev cÖPviYv wb‡q e¨¯— bv n‡q eis Kv‡R g‡bvwb‡ek Kiv|
RvwZMZfv‡e Avgiv K_v †ewk ewj, wKš‘ KvR Kg Kwi| Avgiv
Avgv‡ì eyw× Kv‡Ri R‡b¨ bv jvwM‡q, Lye fv‡jv KvR KiwQ GUv
†evSv‡bvi †Póvq e¨q Kwi| GR‡b¨B Avgiv GZ wcwQ‡q AvwQ| †h KvR
hZUzKz bxi‡e Kiv hvq wVK †mfv‡eB Zv Kiv DwPZ|
weL¨vZ wPÎwkíx gKeyj wd`v û‡mb ev Gg Gd û‡mb| cuvP/ mvZ
eQi Av‡MB Zvi G‡KKwU †cBw›Us‡qi g~j¨ wQ‡jv BwÛqvb i“wci GK
†KvwU i“wc| mv`v KvM‡R wZwb hw` ïay GKUv wmM‡bPvi K‡i w`‡Zb,
Zvi `vgI ùvov‡Zv BwÛqvb i“wci GK jvL i“wc|
GKevi †cvjvi‡qW K¨v‡givi mv‡_ cÖwZ‡hvwMZv n‡qwQ‡jvÑGKwU
†Pnviv wZwb †ewk `ª“Z AuvK‡Z cv‡ib, bv K¨v‡giv †ewk `ª“Z aviY Ki‡Z
cv‡i Zv †`Lvi R‡b¨| mevB‡K wew¯§Z K‡i w`‡q †mB cÖwZ‡hvwMZvq
Rqx nb û‡mb| ïay wPÎwkíx bb, Pjw”PÎ wbg©vZv wn‡m‡eI wZwb mdj|
A_P Gg Gd û‡mb KvR ïi“ K‡iwQ‡jb wm‡bgvi †nvwW©s A_©vr wm‡bgvi
†h eo eo †cv÷vi, †mB †nvwW©s †cB›Uv‡ii Gwmm‡U›U wn‡m‡e|
Gg Gd û‡m‡bi GKUv Lye weL¨vZ Dw³ i‡q‡Q †h, Avgiv †mwj‡eªwU
n‡Z PvB| Avgiv PvB †h, †jvKRb Avgv‡K RvbyK, Avgv‡K eySzK,
Avgv‡K †`LyK, Avgv‡K m¤â©bv w`K| Avgv‡K gvjv w`K| wKš‘ †mwj‡eªwU
nIqvi Av‡M †h 10/15 eQi AemwKDwiwU‡Z KvUv‡Z nq, bxi‡e-wbR©‡b
mvabvq KvUv‡Z nq Zv Avgiv PvB bv| A_©vr mvdj¨ cÖvPyh© L¨vwZ cvIqvi
R‡b¨ cÖ¯‘wZ wb‡Z n‡e| wb‡R‡K †hvM¨ I `¶ K‡i M‡o Zzj‡Z n‡e|
cÖPviYv ev K_vi †P‡q Kv‡R †ewk g‡bv‡hvMx n‡Z n‡e|
cÖkœ : Heroism ev show off hviv K‡i, gvbyl Zv‡ì‡KB †ewk cQ›`
K‡i| ZvivB mn‡R g‡bv‡hv‡Mi †K‡›`ª P‡j hvq| bxi‡e KvR K‡i nq
bv| Avwg weåvš—|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 39

DËi : †kv-Ad K‡i g‡bv‡hv‡Mi †K‡›`ª hvIqv hvq, wKš‘ Zvi ¯’vwqZ¡
KZ¶Y? dvby‡mi g‡ZvB| dvbym iv‡Z Av‡jv Qwo‡q AvKv‡k I‡V| wKš‘
wKQy¶Y c‡iB wgwj‡q hvq| †mwj‡eªwU nIqvi R‡b¨ †h mvabv ìKvi,
†mB mvabv hw` bv _v‡K, Zvn‡j †m wb‡R‡K a‡i ivL‡Z cv‡i bv|
†hgb, wm‡bgvi †h bvqK-bvwqKviv `ywZb‡U Qwe K‡iB Zi“Y-Zi“Yx‡ì
nvU©_ªe n‡q hvq, Zv‡ì KRb‡K Avgiv c‡i g‡b ivwL? MZ 30 eQ‡i ev
MZ 10 eQ‡iI XvwjDW ev ewjD‡W †h bvqK-bvwqKviv G‡m‡Q Zv‡ì
KRb‡K Avgiv g‡b †i‡LwQ? Zviv mvgwqK Db¥v`bvi ga¨ w`‡q †f‡m
D‡VwQ‡jv| Db¥v`bvq hLb fvUv co‡jv ZvivI nvwi‡q †Mj mvev‡bi
†dbvi g‡Zv| Avi GUvB †kv-Ad Ges bxie mvabvi g‡a¨ cv_©K¨|
Avevi Avgv‡ì gyw³hy‡× †h mvZ Rb knx` gyw³‡hv×v exi‡kªô
n‡q‡Qb, Zv‡ì KvD‡KB Avgiv ev¯—‡e †`wL wb| wKš‘ Avgiv Zv‡ì bvg
Rvwb, Zv‡ì‡K g‡b †i‡LwQ| A_P Õ70 mvj ev Õ75 mv‡ji g‡a¨ gviv
†M‡Q Ggb mvZ Rb bvqK-bvwqKvi bvg ej‡Z ej‡j Avgiv KqRb Zv
ej‡Z cvi‡ev? KviY †kv-Ad K‡i Agi nIqv hvq bv| Agi n‡Z n‡j
bxi‡e KvR Ki‡Z nq, mvabv Ki‡Z nq, AvZ¥`vb Ki‡Z nq|
†Kvqv›Uv‡g Avgiv memgq bxi‡e KvR K‡i hvIqvi bxwZ‡Z wek¦vmx|
d‡j cÖPv‡ii †¶‡Î Avgiv Ab¨‡ì Zzjbvq 100 fv‡Mi GK fvMI
Zrci bB| wKš‘ ZviciI †Kvqv›Uv‡gi evYx Ô`„wófw½ e`jvb, Rxeb
e`‡j hv‡eÕ, Ô‡i‡M †M‡jb †Zv †n‡i †M‡jbÕ, Ômy¯’ †`n cÖkvš— gb
Kg©e¨¯— myLx RxebÕ GLb jv‡Lv jv‡Lv gvby‡li gy‡L| KviY Av‡jv hLb
R¡‡j ZLb mevB †`‡L| Avi Aš—‡i Av‡jv R¡vjv‡bvi R‡b¨ ìKvi bxi‡e
KvR| KviY bxie gyn~Z©¸‡jvB Rxe‡bi †kªô gyn~Z©, m„Rbkxj gyn~Z©|
bxie gyn~‡Z© †h wPš—v-fvebv-wek¦vm I `„pZv Av‡m †mUvB gvbyl‡K wn‡iv
K‡i, Agi K‡i|
cÖkœ : gbQwe Ab¨ KvD‡K ejv hv‡e bv †Kb?
DËi : Avm‡j Avcwb hw` GLb mevB‡K e‡jb †h, Avcwb †cÖwm‡W›U
n‡Z hv‡”Qb Zvn‡j Kx n‡e? GK`j Avcbv‡K wek¦vmB Ki‡e bv|
nvmvnvwm Ki‡e, wUàwb KvU‡e| nq‡Zv Dcnvm K‡i ej‡e, ÔH
†cÖwm‡W›U, hv GKKvc Pv wb‡q AvqÕ| G‡Z Avcbvi g‡bvej ¶zYœ n‡e|

Avevi nq‡Zv †`Lv hv‡e, †KD †KD Avcbvi K_v wmwiqvmwj wb‡”Q|
Zviv nq‡Zv Avcbvi wc‡Q †j‡M hv‡e †hb Avcwb wKQy‡ZB †cÖwm‡W›U
n‡Z bv cv‡ib| ìKvi Kx Lv‡gvLv Gme Sv‡gjv †W‡K Avbvi? Zvi
†P‡q hZw`b gbQwe ev¯—evwqZ bv n‡”Q ZZw`b bxi‡e KvR K‡i hvb|
ev¯—evwqZ nIqvi ci mevB GgwbB Rvb‡e, Avcbvi e‡j †eov‡bvi
cÖ‡qvRb n‡e bv|
gbQwe cÖwµqv
cÖkœ : Avgvi cÖkœ n‡”Q Kx Kx Ki‡j gbQwe c~Y©v½ n‡e? ev¯—eZv m¤ú~Y©
cÖwZK‚j n‡jI wK gbQwe ev¯—evwqZ n‡e?
DËi : gbQwei cuvPwU c~e©kZ© i‡q‡Q| GK, j¶¨ w¯’i Ki‡Z n‡e| j¶¨
mywbw`©ó n‡Z n‡e, my¯úó n‡Z n‡e †h, Avwg cÖ‡dmi n‡ev, Avwg
abKz‡ei n‡ev ev Avwg cÖavbgš¿x n‡ev| A_©vr hv n‡Z Pvb †mB j¶¨‡K
w¯’i Ki‡Z n‡e|
`yB n‡”Q, j‡¶¨ Av¯’v| j¶Üv †h hyw³m½Z G e¨vcv‡i Avcbvi
Av¯’v _vK‡Z n‡e|
wZb n‡”Q, j¶¨vbyiYb| j¶¨ AR©‡bi Abyf~wZ wewKiY| j¶Üv‡K
eZ©gvb wn‡m‡e †`L‡Z n‡e| Ôj¶¨ AwR©Z n‡q †M‡QÕÑGB Abyf~wZUv
wb‡Ri g‡a¨ Avb‡Z n‡e|
Pvi n‡”Q, j‡¶¨ GKvZ¥Zv| j‡¶¨ memgq GKvZ¥ _vK‡Z n‡e|
cuvP n‡”Q, bxi‡e KvR| j¶¨ AR©‡bi R‡b¨ bxi‡e KvR Ki‡Z n‡e|
gbQwei G cuvPwU m~Î AbymiY K‡i †h †KD AvcvZ Am¤¢e‡K m¤¢e
Ki‡Z cv‡ib| D`vniY wn‡m‡e Avgiv eZ©gvb c„w_exi me‡P‡q ¶gZvai
gvbylwUi K_v D‡j-L Ki‡Z cvwi| gvwK©b BwZnv‡mi cÖ_g K„òv½
†cÖwm‡W›U evivK Ievgv Avm‡j GB cuvPwU avc‡K AwZµg K‡iB
AvcvZ`„wó‡Z Am¤¢e‡K m¤¢e K‡i‡Qb|
Ievgvi †Kwbqvb es‡kv™¢~Z evev Av‡gwiKvq G‡mwQ‡jb fvM¨v‡š^l‡Y|
†mLv‡bB Ievgvi gv‡qi mv‡_ Zvi cwiPq Ges we‡q| wKš‘ Ievgvi
R‡b¥i ci ciB Zviv Avjv`v n‡q hvb Ges `yR‡bB Avevi we‡q K‡ib|
1967 mv‡j Ievgvi eqm hLb Qq, ZLb wkï Ievgv‡K wb‡q Zvi gv
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 41

B‡›`v‡bwkqvb ¯^vgxi mv‡_ P‡j hvb RvKvZ©vq| `vwi`ª Avi cÖwZK‚jZvi
g‡a¨ †e‡o DV‡Z jvM‡jb wZwb| wKš‘ †mLv‡bI _vKv n‡jv bv Zvi|
wd‡i G‡jb nvIqvB‡Z Zvi bvbv-bvbxi Kv‡Q| A_©vr gv-evevnxb GKwU
wew”Qbœ cwiev‡ii wK‡kvi wn‡m‡e †e‡o DV‡Z jvM‡jb|
12 eQi eq‡m evevi mv‡_ Zvi cÖ_g Ges †klev‡ii g‡Zv †`Lv nq|
Gici wk¶vRxe‡bi avç‡jv mvd‡jï m‡½ †cwi‡q fwZ© n‡jb Kjw¤^qv
wek¦we`¨vj‡q| 1980 mv‡j wØZxq ¯^vgxi mv‡_ Zvi gv‡qi wW‡fvm© n‡q
hvq| Avi 1982 mv‡j gviv hvb Zvi wb‡Ri evev|
1988 mv‡j NU‡jv Zvi Rxe‡bi euvKe`jKvix NUbvwU| wcZ…f~wg
†Kwbqvq wM‡q wcZvi cwiev‡ii mv‡_ wgwjZ n‡jb| Abyfe Ki‡jb
†kK‡oi kw³| `ytL, `vwi`ª Avi cÖwZK‚jZvi wei“‡× jovB‡K †`L‡jb
KvQ †_‡K| Zvi Dcjwä †c‡jv GK bZzb gvÎv| c‡i wZwb wj‡L‡Qb,
The visit united my outward self with my inward self in an
important way. A_©vr G md‡ii ga¨ w`‡q Zvi †fZ‡ii mËvi mv‡_
evB‡ii mËvi GK ¸i“Z¡c~Y© wgjb N‡U| bZzb `„wófw½ wb‡q 1990 mv‡j
KvR ïi“ K‡ib wZwb| G eQiB cÖ_g Av‡d«v-Av‡gwiKvb wn‡m‡e nvf©vW©
j wiwfD-Gi m¤úv`K g‡bvbxZ nb|
1992 mv‡j GK AmvaviY eB iPbv K‡ib wZwbÑÔwWªgm d«g gvB
dv`viÕ, †hLv‡b wZwb Zvi †kKo mÜv‡bi msMÖv‡gi K_v e‡j‡Qb|
2004 mv‡j wZwb BDGm wm‡b‡Ui m`m¨ nb| 2008 mv‡j wnjvwi
wK¬bU‡bi g‡Zv cÖwZc¶‡K civwRZ K‡i `jxq g‡bvbqb †c‡jb Ges
Ae‡k‡l Rqx n‡q m„wó Ki‡jb cÖ_g e-¨vK Av‡gwiKvb †cÖwm‡W›U nIqvi
weij BwZnvm|
GZ cÖwZK‚jZv m‡Ë¡I evivK Ievgv G Aewa Avm‡Z †c‡i‡Qb KviY
Zvi gbQwe wQ‡jv| wZwb Kx Pvb, †mUv Zvi Kv‡Q ¯úó wQ‡jv| ¯‹z‡j
_vK‡ZB K¬vm cix¶vq iPbv wj‡LwQ‡jbÑAvB Iqv›U Uz we w` †cÖwm‡W›U
Ad Av‡gwiKv| Avi j‡¶ï †hŠw³KZvq KZUv Av¯’v _vK‡j GKRb
K„òv½ gvbyl wm‡bU m`m¨ nIqvi gvÎ `yeQ‡ii gv_vq ïfvKv•¶x‡ì
Dc‡`k AMÖvn¨ K‡i †cÖwm‡W›U c`cÖv_©x wn‡m‡e wb‡Ri bvg †NvlYv Ki‡Z
cv‡ib Zv mn‡RB Aby‡gq|
bwg‡bk‡bi R‡b¨ cÖwZ‡hvwMZv PjvKv‡j A‡b‡KB Zv‡K cÖkœ K‡i‡Qb
Avcbvi e‡Y©i Kvi‡Y A‡b‡KB Avcbv‡K †fvU †`‡eb bv, G wb‡q wK

Avcbvi †Kv‡bv `ywðš—v nq bv? Ievgv wbtk¼wP‡Ë e‡j‡Qb, †m †Zv
Avgvi Kvb `y‡Uv †ewk eo e‡j gvbyl Avgv‡K †fvU w`‡Z bv-I cv‡i,
wnjvwi wK¬bUb bvix e‡j Zv‡K A‡b‡K †fvU w`‡Z bv-I cv‡i, Rb
GWIqvW©m-Gi D”Pvi‡Y AvÂwjKZvi Qvc Av‡Q e‡j Zv‡K †KD †KD
†fvU bv-I w`‡Z cv‡i| eY© wb‡q GZ wPš—vi Kx Av‡Q?
Ievgvi j¶¨vbyiYb †K‡bwW cwiev‡ii m`m¨mn A‡bK cÖfvekvjx
†W‡gv‡µU‡K DØy× K‡iwQ‡jv wnjvwi wK¬bU‡bi g‡Zv cwiwPZ gy‡Li
cwie‡Z© Zv‡K mg_©b Ki‡Z|
mvivRxeb wZwb wb‡R‡K av‡c av‡c cÖ¯‘Z K‡i‡Qb Zvi gbQwei
R‡b¨| G Kvi‡Y Kjw¤^qv wek¦we`¨vjq †_‡K cvk Kivi ci A‡bK †gvUv
A‡¼i PvKwii my‡hvM _vKvi ciI cÖ_g †ckv wn‡m‡e †e‡Q †bb
KwgDwbwU msMVb‡K| `vwi`ª I eY©mgm¨v wb‡q KvR ïi“ K‡ib wZwb|
myweavewÂZ j¶vwaK bvMwi‡Ki †fvUvwaKv‡ii my‡hvM ˆZwi K‡i †`b|
nvf©vW© †_‡K jÕ cv‡ki ciI KvR Kivi R‡b¨ †e‡Q †bb Ggb GKwU
dvg©‡K, †hwU AvKv‡i †QvU, †eZb A‡bK Kg, wKš‘ †hLv‡b cÖfvekvjx
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ïay evivK Ievgv bb, hvivB mdj n‡q‡Qb ZvivB †R‡b ev bv †R‡b
GB cÖwµqv‡KB AbymiY K‡i‡Qb| AZGe hZ eo ¯^cœB †nvK, wØav
Ki‡eb bv| KviY AvcvZ Am¤¢e‡K m¤¢e Kivi bvgB gbQwe|
cÖkœ : gvnvw_i †gvnv¤§` Ges gvj‡qwkqv cÖm‡½ Avcbvi gš—‡eï
cwi‡cÖw¶‡Z ejwQ, Avcwb wK g‡b K‡ib bv e¨w³i g‡Zv RvwZiI
gbQwei cÖ‡qvRb Av‡Q?
DËi : Aek¨B Av‡Q| RvwZMZ gbQwe ev¯—evq‡bi GKUv D¾¡j D`vniY
n‡jv Avgv‡ì gyw³hy×| c„w_exi BwZnv‡m gvÎ bq gv‡m weRq AR©‡bi
g‡Zv GKwU AmvaviY NUbv m¤¢e n‡qwQ‡jv wZbwU Dcv`v‡bi
Kvi‡YÑgbQwe‡Z AwePj wek¦vm, m•Ne×Zv Ges me©vZ¥K cÖ‡Póv|
cÖ_gZ, gbQwe‡Z AwePj wek¦vm| 26 gvP© †_‡K ¯^vaxbZvi †h ¯^‡cœi
mv‡_ mg¯— evOvwj GKvZ¥ n‡q wM‡qwQ‡jv Zv‡Z wek¦v‡mi †Kv‡bv NvUwZ
wQ‡jv bv| AvaywbK mgiv¯¿ mw¾Z b„ksm cvwK¯—vwb evwnbxi wei“‡×
jo‡Z eva¨ nIqv wbi¯¿ GKwU RvwZi wek¦v‡mi GB `„pZv mwZ¨B
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 43

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GqviMvb nv‡Z GKRb gvbyl QyU‡Q U¨vsK †gvKv‡ejv Kivi R‡b¨|
wØZxqZ, m•Ne×Zv| GB GKwU gbQwe‡K mvg‡b †i‡L Avgiv †hfv‡e
m•Ne× n‡qwQjvg, GKvZ¥Zv I mggwg©Zvi †h `„óvš— ¯’vcb Ki‡Z
†c‡iwQjvg Zv Avgv‡ì RvZxq Rxe‡bi GK ¯^‡Y©v¾¡j Aa¨vq| GKgvÎ
nvbv`vi evwnbxi fq Qvov †MvUv Rbc‡` wQ‡jv bv †Kv‡bv fq, AwbðqZv
ev wbivcËvnxbZv| gv Zvi Zi“Yx Kb¨v‡K wb‡q GKv XvKv †_‡K MÖv‡gi
c_ w`‡q †nu‡U †nu‡U P‡j †M‡Qb w`bvRcyi| †Kv‡bv fq ev Avk¼v wQ‡jv
bv Zvi g‡b| XvKv ev Ab¨vb¨ Avµvš— Rbc` †_‡K hvivB Avkª‡qi
†Luv‡R c‡_ †b‡g‡Qb ZvivB †c‡q‡Qb Gi cÖgvY| †Pbv †bB, Rvbv †bB
Ggb gvbyl‡ìI ivwÎ hvc‡bi R‡b¨ wb‡Ri Ni †Q‡o w`‡q‡Qb MÖv‡gi
M„n¯’| gaïv‡Z Mig fvZ, gyiwMi †MvkZ Avi mKv‡j wcVv LvB‡q
Avc¨vqb K‡i‡Qb| †m mgq m•Ne×Zv Ges mggwg©Zvi `„óvš— GgbB
wQ‡jv †h, m¤ú~Y© A‡Pbv ARvbv GK`j gvbyl gyw³evwnbx‡Z †hvM w`‡q
wb‡g‡lB n‡q †hZ G‡K Ac‡ii me‡P‡q Kv‡Qi Rb| mn‡hv×viv
cÖ‡Z¨‡KB PvB‡Zv K‡ói, wec‡ì, SuywKi KvRUzKz wb‡R Ki‡Z Avi
m½x‡ì wbivc‡` ivL‡Z|
wZb n‡”Q me©vZ¥K cÖ‡Póv| ¯^vaxbZv cvIqvi R‡b¨ hv hv Kiv ìKvi
Ges hv hv Z¨vM Kiv ìKvi Zvi meB Avgiv K‡iwQjvg| GK †KvwU
gvbyl †`k Z¨vM K‡iwQ‡jv Ges M„nZ¨vM Ki‡Z eva¨ n‡qwQ‡jv Av‡iv
wZb †KvwU gvbyl| ïay evwo ev m¤ú` bq, wb‡R‡K wemR©b w`‡ZI Zv‡ì
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wQ‡jv, ZvivB gyw³hy‡×i R‡b¨ Ni †Q‡o †ewi‡q †M‡Q| †Uªwbs K¨v‡¤úi
Kó, hy‡× Ask wb‡q AvnZ ev wbnZ nIqvi Avk¼vÑmewKQy‡KB Zviv
†g‡b wb‡q‡Q A¤-vb e`‡b|
Avi wek¦vm, m•Ne×Zv Ges me©vZ¥K cÖ‡Póv hLb †Kv‡bv gnr j‡¶ï
R‡b¨ wb‡ew`Z nq ZLb Zv‡Z mªóvi ing‡Zi aviv m¤ú„³ nq| gyw³hy×
Avgiv †Kv‡bv e¨w³MZ ¯^v‡_©i R‡b¨ bq, mgMÖ RvwZi gyw³i R‡b¨
K‡iwQjvg| Avgiv wQjvg Ryjyg I †kvl‡Yi wei“‡×| b¨v‡qi c‡_| hvi
d‡j GZ Aí mg‡q DcKi‡Yi GZ mxgve×Zv m‡Ë¡I b„ksm cvwK¯—vwb
evwnbxi wei“‡× j‡o Avgiv mdj n‡qwQjvg|
GZ †MŠi‡ev¾¡j mvd‡jï ci Avgv‡ì AvR‡Ki GB Ae¯’vi KviYI

n‡”Q ¯^vaxbZvi ci Avgiv Avi †Kv‡bv RvwZMZ gbQwe m„wó Ki‡Z cvwi
wb| wKš‘ 90-Gi `kK †_‡K Avgiv RvwZMZ gbQwe †`L‡Z ïi“
K‡iwQÑevsjv‡`k †bZ…Z¡ w`‡”Q AvMvgx we‡k¦i| AvcwbI wbtms‡Kv‡P GB
gbQwe‡Z kvwgj n‡Z cv‡ib|
gbQwe I ag©
cÖkœ : gbQwei e¨vcv‡i Avgvi GKUz A¯úóZv Av‡Q| †eŠ×a‡g© wb®‹vg
K‡g©i K_v ejv n‡q‡Q, Kv‡Ri d‡ji cÖwZ Avm³ bv n‡q KvR Ki‡Z
ejv n‡q‡Q| MxZvqI GKB K_v ejv n‡q‡Q| Bmjvg a‡g©I Kv‡Ri Kx
dj n‡e Zvi R‡b¨ Avj-vni Ici wbf©i Ki‡Z ejv n‡q‡Q| Avj-vn hv
K‡ib, Zv ev›`vi g½‡ji R‡b¨B K‡ib| wKš‘ †gwW‡Uk‡b Avgiv
Avgv‡ì Kv‡Ri dj A‡bK Zxeªfv‡e Kvgbv Kwi| Avwg gbQwei mv‡_
a‡g©i `„wó‡Kv‡Yi wgj eyS‡Z cvwi wb|
DËi : Avm‡j Kv‡Ri dj †`qvi AwaKvi Avj-vni wKš‘ KvR Kivi
`vwqZ¡ Avcbvi| †h Kvi‡Y Avj-vn Zvqvjv m~iv evjv`-Gi 4 bs Avqv‡Z
¯úófv‡e e‡j‡Qb ÔAvwg gvbyl‡K cwikªg I Kówbf©i K‡i m„wó K‡iwQ|Õ
A_e©‡e‡` ejv n‡q‡Q, Ô‡n gvbyl! Drmvn-DÏxcbv wb‡q Avš—wiKZvi
mv‡_ cwikªg Ki| `vwi`ª I Amy¯’Zv †Zvgvi KvQ †_‡K cvwj‡q hv‡e|Õ
A_©vr c„w_ex‡Z gvbyl‡K cvVv‡bvB n‡q‡Q Kó I cwikªg Kivi R‡b¨|
†Zgwb djvd‡ji R‡bÏ kªg w`‡Z n‡e gvbyl‡KB|
GLb Avgiv hw` g‡b Kwi, Avwg Lv‡ev wK Lv‡ev bv, GUv Avj-vn
wba©vwiZ K‡i †i‡L‡Qb| GB e‡j Avwg PvjI Avbjvg bv, ivbœvI Kijvg
bv Ges LvIqvi DcKiY †hvMvoI Kijvg bv| e‡m _vKjvg GB †f‡e
†h, Avj-vn Kcv‡j wjL‡j †Zv Lv‡evB| wKš‘ Avj-vn Ifv‡e Kcv‡j wj‡L
iv‡Lb bv| Zvn‡j Avj-vn gvbyl‡K Kv‡Ri R‡b¨ ej‡Zb bv| m~iv RygAv-
Gi 10 bs Avqv‡Z Avj-vn e‡j‡QbÑÔbvgvR †kl K‡i c„w_ex‡Z Qwo‡q
co Ges Avj-vni AbyMÖn m¤ú` AbymÜvb Ki|Õ fMe˜MxZvq i‡q‡Q,
Ôgvby‡li AwaKvi ïay K‡g©| d‡j Zvi AwaKvi bvB| KvR Ki| wb‡R‡K
K‡g©i KviK g‡b K‡iv bv| Avevi wb‡R‡K wbw®Œq n‡q †h‡Z wÌ bv|Õ
A_©vr K‡g©i ¸i“Z¡ me RvqMvq me a‡g© †`qv n‡q‡Q, d‡ji bq|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 45

djvd‡ji `vwqZ¡ Avcwb Avj-vni Ici †Q‡o w`‡jb wKš‘ PvB‡Z †Zv
†Kv‡bv †`vl †bB| Avj-vn PvB‡Z wb‡la K‡ib wb| †KviAv‡b ¯úó ejv
n‡q‡QÑÔZzwg Avgvi Kv‡Q PvI, cÖv_©bv Ki, Avwg Keyj Ki‡evÕ| Avj-vn
cÖv_©bv Lye cQ›` K‡ib, PvIqvUv‡K Lye cQ›` K‡ib Ges gbQwe n‡”Q
PvIqviB GKUv iƒc, PvIqvi mv‡_ wb‡R‡K wgwk‡q †djv| PvIqv Ges
wb‡R‡K Gi mv‡_ GKvKvi K‡i †djv n‡”Q gbQwe hv Avj-vn cQ›`
K‡ib| †h Kg© K‡i‡Q Avj-vn Zv‡KB dj w`‡q‡Qb, †h Kg© K‡i wb
Avj-vn Zv‡K dj w`‡jI †m ivL‡Z cv‡i wb, dj Abïv †fvM K‡i‡Q|
FM‡e‡` PgrKvifv‡e ejv Av‡Q, Ôhviv mrc‡_ K‡Vvi cwikªg K‡i
Ges ci¯úi‡K mn‡hvwMZv K‡i Zv‡ì‡KB cÖfy mvnvh¨ K‡ibÕ| AZGe
gbQwei mv‡_ Avcbvi wek¦v‡mi †Kv‡bv we‡iva †bB, a‡g©i †Kv‡bv we‡iva
†bB| gbQwe n‡”Q GKvMÖ PvIqv, PvIqvi mv‡_ wb‡R‡K GKvKvi K‡i
†`qv| PvIqv I PvIqvi cÖwµqvi mv‡_ wg‡k hvIqv|
cÖkœ : Bmjvg Ges Ab¨ A‡bK a‡g© eo eo cÖZ¨vkvi wb›`v Kiv n‡q‡Q|
gvbyl‡K me©`v Zzó I cwiZ…ß _vKvi wk¶v w`‡q‡Q| wKš‘ gbQwei gva¨‡g
Avgiv eo wKQz AR©b Kivi j¶¨ wb‡q e¨¯— _vKvi gva¨‡g wK A_© L¨vwZ
ev c‡Yï cÖwZ Avm³ n‡q †h‡Z cvwi bv? gbQwei mxgv‡iLv †Kv_vq
nIqv DwPZ?
DËi : wbtm‡›`‡n Bmjvgmn mKj ag©B Zzó cwiZ…ß I †kvKi‡MvRvi
_vKvi wk¶v w`‡q‡Q| AvgivI ZvB memgqB mewKQyi R‡b¨B ewj
†kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! ïKwiqvi wØZxq w`K n‡”Q, c„w_ex‡Z m„wói R‡b¨
Kj¨vYKi mewKQyB Avj-vni †bqvgZ| ¯^vfvweKfv‡eB Avj-vni †bqvg‡Zi
Ici wek¦vmx‡ìB AMÖvwaKvi i‡q‡Q|
†KviAv‡b ejv n‡q‡Q, ÔAvj-vn wek¦vmx‡ì `ywbqv I Av‡LivZÑDfq
¯’v‡bB cÖwZôv `vb K‡ibÕ| GB R‡b¨ †KviAv‡b mvjvZ Kv‡q‡gi
cvkvcvwk hvKvZ Av`v‡qi Ici ¸i“Z¡ †`qv n‡q‡Q| A_©vr weËevb n‡q
hvKvZ Av`vq bvgv‡Ri g‡ZvB ¸i“Z¡c~Y©| ZvB bvgvR †kl K‡i c„w_ex‡Z
Qwo‡q cov I Avj-vni AbyMÖn m¤ú` AbymÜvb Ki‡Z ejv n‡q‡Q|
imyjyj-vn (m) e‡j‡Qb, Zzwg †mB e¨w³‡K Cl©v Ki‡Z cv‡iv hv‡K
Avj-vn cÖPzi m¤ú` w`‡q‡Qb Ges †m Zv m„wói Kj¨v‡Y e¨q K‡i| GLv‡b

m„wói Kj¨v‡Y e¨q Kivi R‡b¨ cÖPzi we‡Ëi AwaKvix nIqvi Ici ¸i“Z¡
†`qv n‡q‡Q| ïay †fvMwejv‡m gË _vK‡Z wb‡la Kiv n‡q‡Q|
†KviAv‡bi GB wk¶v AbymiY K‡iB mvnvev‡q †Kivg ZLbKvi Rvbv
c„w_exi Pviw`‡K Qwo‡q c‡owQ‡jb| †Lvjvdv‡q iv‡k`vi mgq Zviv
A‡a©K c„w_ex kvmb K‡i‡Qb| Avi Avi‡ei mKj gvbyl hvKvZ`vZvq
cwiYZ n‡qwQ‡jb|
AvwZ¥K DbœwZi cvkvcvwk †ivgvb I cvim¨ mvgªv‡R¨i AgvbweKZvi
cZb NwU‡q Zviv GKgvÎ civkw³‡Z iƒcvš—wiZ n‡qwQ‡jb| AZGe
gbQwei j¶¨ hw` wb‡Ri I m„wói Kj¨vY nq, Z‡e Gi mxgv‡iLv nIqv
DwPZ Kgc‡¶ mviv c„w_ex| j¶¨ gnr n‡j A_© L¨vwZ ev c‡Y¨i cÖwZ
Avmw³i cÖkœwU Aevš—i| imyjyj-vn (m) QvovI nhiZ Avey eKi, nhiZ
Igi, nhiZ Imgvb, nhiZ Avjxi Rxeb Gi R¡jš— D`vniY|
cÖkœ : PvKwii R‡b¨ gbQwe K‡iwQjvg wKš‘ h_vmg‡q Zv mdj nq wb|
Z‡e mvg‡b my‡hvM i‡q‡Q ZvB AveviI wK Gi R‡b¨ gbQwe Ki‡Z cvwi?
DËi : GL‡bv K‡ib wb †Kb, Avwg †Zv Avcbv‡K †mB cÖkœ Ki‡ev|
†h‡nZz my‡hvM Av‡Q Aek¨B Avcwb gbQwe Ki‡eb|
gbQwe cwieZ©b
cÖkœ : †Kvqv›Uvg †g_W †Kv‡m©i mgq †h gbQwe K‡iwQjvg Zv c~e©eZ©x
åvš— aviYv¸‡jvi Ici wfwË K‡i wQ‡jv| hZ †gwW‡Ukb KiwQ ZZ åvš—
aviYv¸‡jv cwi®‹vi n‡”Q| Gi d‡j Avwg GLb eyS‡Z cviwQ, Av‡M Avwg
gbQwe‡Z hv †P‡qwQ Zv Avgvi R‡b¨ mwVK wQ‡jv bv| G Ae¯’vq gbQwei
e¨vcv‡i Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
DËi : ¯^vfvweKfv‡eB gbQwe e`jv‡Z n‡e| bZzb cwiw¯’wZ-AwfÁZv-
wek¦vm-aviYvi Av‡jv‡K bZzb gbQwe wbg©vY Ki“b|
cÖkœ : †`‡ki evB‡i cov‡kvbvi wm×vš— wb‡qwQ| wKš‘ cÖ_‡g †h †`k
wbe©vPb K‡i gbQwe †`‡LwQjvg, ¸i“Z¡c~Y© wKQz Kvi‡Y Zv cwieZ©b K‡i
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 47

Ab¨ †`‡ki e¨vcv‡i wm×vš— wb‡qwQ| Avm‡j Avgvi gbQwe Nb Nb e`‡j
hv‡”Q| gbQwe‡Z cwieZ©b wK mvd‡j¨ weiƒc cÖwZwµqv Avb‡e?
DËi : Avm‡j cwieZ©b wKQy wKQy †h Kiv hv‡e bv Zv bq| wKš‘ Nb Nb
cwieZ©b Ki‡j Zv weiƒc cÖwZwµqv Avb‡Z cv‡i ˆewK|
ai“b, Avcwb wm×vš— wb‡jb †h, cÖ‡dmi n‡eb| Qq gvm cÖ‡dmi
nIqvi R‡b¨ KvR Ki‡jb| Zvici g‡b n‡jv cÖ‡dm‡ii †Kv‡bv M-¨vgvi
†bB, Zvi †P‡q eis Ô‡Zvgv‡KB LuyR‡Q evsjv‡`kÕ n‡q hvB, ILv‡b
M-¨vgvi Av‡Q| Avcwb Zvi †cQ‡b †j‡M †M‡jb| wKš‘ †`Lv †Mj,
evsjv‡`k Avcbv‡K Avi Luy‡R cv‡”Q bv| ZLb fve‡jb †h, wVK Av‡Q,
Gevi Avi Gme wKQy bq, Gevi Avwg Wv³vi n‡ev| GiKg evi evi j¶¨
e`jv‡Z _vK‡j Kx n‡e? †eªb KbwdDR&W n‡q hv‡e| ej‡e †h, G Av‡M
wVK Ki“K, Zvici Avwg KvR Ki‡ev|
A‡bKUv H NUbvi g‡Zv| GKRb Lye weL¨vZ Wv³v‡ii †P¤^v‡i
memgq wfo †j‡M _v‡K| G‡Z Z¨³-wei³ n‡q Wv³vi mv‡ne †gvUv
†eZb w`‡q GKRb my‡e`vi ivL‡jb wmwKDwiwU MvW© wn‡m‡e Ges ej‡jb
†h, Lei`vi! GB mgqUv Avgvi wekªv‡gi mgq, G mgq KvD‡K XyK‡Z
†`‡e bv| Avwg©i my‡e`vi, †hgb ûKzg Zvi †Zgb KvR| Gi g‡a¨ Kx
Kvi‡Y K‡qKw`b c‡i Wv³vi mv‡n‡ei ¯¿x G‡m‡Qb †`Lv Ki‡Z| ¯¿x
G‡m cwiPq w`‡jb, Avwg Zvi IqvBd| my‡e`vi ej‡jb †h, g¨vWvg,
m¨v‡ii ûKzg bvB| ¯¿x †Zv †P¤^v‡i XyK‡Z cv‡i bvB| eyS‡ZB cvi‡Qb
Wv³vi mv‡ne evmvq hvIqvi c‡i Kx Ae¯’v n‡q‡Q!
wZwb ciw`b G‡m my‡e`vi‡K a‡i‡Qb| my‡e`vi ej‡jv †h, m¨vi,
AvcwbB †Zv e‡j‡Qb KvD‡K XyK‡Z †`‡e bv| wZwb ej‡jb, Avwg
ej‡jB n‡jv! Avgvi ¯¿x Avm‡e Avi Zv‡K XyK‡Z †`‡e bv! GLb †_‡K
Avgvi ¯¿x G‡j XyK‡Z †`‡e| my‡e`vi ej‡jv, Rx m¨vi! Zv-B n‡e|
w`b 15 c‡i Gevi Wv³vi mv‡n‡ei k¦ïi G‡jb Zvi mv‡_ †`Lv Kivi
R‡b¨| k¦ïi †Zv Av‡iv eq¯‹ gvbyl| my‡e`vi ej‡jv †h, Gmgq Kv‡iv
†XvKvi ûKzg bvB ïay Ibvi ¯¿x Qvov| Avcwb ¯¿xi evev †nvb, ZeyI
m¨v‡ii ûKzg bvB| ûKzg Qvov †Zv Avwg KvD‡K XyK‡Z w`‡Z cvwi bv|
GLb k¦ïi gkvB †Zv P‡j †M‡Qb evmvq| eyS‡ZB cvi‡Qb iv‡Î hLb
Wv³vi mv‡ne evmvq †M‡Qb ZLb Kx Ae¯’v!

ciw`b cÖ‡dmi mv‡ne †P¤^v‡i G‡m Avevi ej‡jb †h, GB e¨vUv
†eAv‡°j, ¯¿xi evev G‡m‡Q Zv‡K XyK‡Z `vI wb †Kb? my‡e`v‡ii †Mj
†gRvR Lvivc n‡q| KviY Zvi †Uªwbs †Zv ïay †h KgvÛ cvq, †Kej
†mUv‡K AbymiY Kivi g‡a¨B mxwgZ| evi evi KgvÛ e`jv‡bvq †m
w`‡knviv n‡q cowQ‡jv| ej‡jv †h, m¨vi, Avwg Avcbvi PvKwi Ki‡ev
bv| Avcwb GKevi ej‡jb KvD‡K XyK‡Z bv w`‡Z, Zvici ej‡jb ïay
Avcbvi ¯¿x-‡K XyK‡Z w`‡Z| Avi GLb ¯¿xi evev‡K XyK‡Z bv †`qvi
R‡b¨ Avgv‡K eK‡Qb| Avcwb †Zv Avm‡j KgvÛ w`‡ZB Rv‡bb bv|
Avwg m¨vi, Avcbvi PvKwiB Ki‡ev bv|
†eªb wKš‘ Avm‡j GB my‡e`v‡ii g‡Zv| G ïay KgvÛ †ev‡S| AZGe
ey‡S ï‡b KgvÛ †`‡eb, evi evi hw` KgvÛ cwieZ©b K‡ib, GKevi
Gw`‡K †Zv Av‡iKevi Iw`‡K †`Šov‡Z e‡jb, Zvn‡j GZ wØav-Ø‡›Ø †Zv
gw¯—®‹ mwVK Kg©cÖwµqv cv‡e bv| Avcbvi gbQweI KvR Ki‡e bv|
gbQwe : Ab¨vb¨
cÖkœ : Avgiv gbQwe †`wL, c~iY n‡q †M‡Q wKš‘ A‡Uvmv‡Rkb †`B
fwel¨‡Zi| †hgb Avwg gbQwe †`wL Mvwo PowQ wKš‘ A‡Uvmv‡Rkb †`B
Avgvi Mvwo n‡e| mwVK Z_¨wU Rvb‡Z Pvw”Q|
DËi : `y‡UvB wVK Av‡Q| gbQwe‡Z fwel¨r‡K eZ©gvb wn‡m‡e †`L‡Z
n‡e Avi A‡Uvmv‡Rkb †`qvi mgq Avcbvi cQ›` Abyhvqx eZ©gvb ev
fwel¨r KvjÑ†h‡Kv‡bvwU e¨envi Ki‡Z cv‡ib| GLv‡b fwel¨r Kvj
†hgb, †Zgwb eZ©gvb KvjÁvcK A‡Uvmv‡RkbI e¨envi Ki‡Z cv‡ib|
cÖkœ : gbQwei †fZ‡i eZ©gvb Ae¯’v P‡j Av‡m hvi welqe¯‘ m¤ú~Y©
wecixZ ai‡bi| ax‡i ax‡i Zv hw` mwi‡q w`‡q Avevi h_vj‡¶¨ Kíbv
Kwi Z‡e wK Zv wVK n‡e?
DËi : eZ©gvb Ae¯’v Xy‡K co‡Z cv‡i| Av‡¯— K‡i IUv‡K mwi‡q w`‡q
Avm‡j Avcwb hv n‡Z Pv‡”Qb †m Qwe‡ZB wd‡i hv‡eb|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 49

cÖkœ : Avwg hv g‡b g‡b fvwe ev AvKv•¶v Kwi ev¯—‡e memgq Zvi D‡ëv
dj n‡Z †`Lv hvq| †hgb, KL‡bv K¬v‡m †h‡Z †`wi n‡j fvwe AvR
wbðqB m¨v‡ii eKv Lv‡ev| wKš‘ K¬v‡m wM‡q †`wL m¨vi Lye †d¬w·ej|
A_ev m¨viB ZL‡bv K¬v‡m Av‡mb wb| Avwg j¶ K‡iwQ, Avgvi Rxe‡bi
cÖwZwU NUbv Gfv‡eB N‡U| d‡j Kvw•¶Z wel‡qi R‡b¨ Avgv‡K D‡ëv
fve‡Z nq| GUv gbQwei mv‡_ mvsNwl©K wK bv GKUz e¨vL¨v Ki‡eb|
DËi : Avm‡j GUvI n‡”Q Avcbvi GKUv `„wófw½| hLb fv‡eb AvR‡K
eKv Lv‡ev, ZLb ïay eKv LvIqvi K_v fv‡eb bv| GKB mv‡_ Avevi
fv‡ebÑbv bv, me wVK n‡q hv‡e| Avcbvi g‡a¨ `y‡Uv fvebvB memgq
KvR K‡i| GK gb e‡j eKv Lv‡eb, Av‡iK gb e‡j eKv Lv‡eb bv|
†bwZevPK Ges BwZevPK `y‡Uv wPš—vB GKmv‡_ n‡Z _v‡K| Avcwb a‡iB
wb‡”QbÑ†h †bwZevPK wPš—vUv Ki‡jb, ev¯—‡e Zvi D‡ëvUv n‡e| Avi
nqI Zv-B| GLb †_‡K gbQwe‡K `„p Ki“b| memgq fve‡eb †h, hv
wPš—v Ki‡ev †m iKgB †`L‡ev| j¶¨Uv‡K hZ my¯úó Ki‡eb Ges j‡¶¨
hZ GKvMÖ _vK‡eb ZZ j¶¨ Abymv‡iB Avcbvi Rxeb cwiPvwjZ n‡e|
cÖkœ : GKmg‡q c¨vwi‡m e„wË wb‡q hvIqvi †Póv Kwi| eû evavi m¤§yLxb
nB| Z‡e kq‡b ¯^c‡b eB‡Z cov eY©bvbyhvqx RvqMvq Ae¯’vb KiZvg|
c‡i mwZ¨B †mLv‡b wM‡qwQjvg|
DËi : evn&! Avcwb †Zv cÖwk¶Y QvovB PgrKvi gbQwe K‡i‡Qb| Avm‡j
me mdj gvbylB m‡PZbfv‡e A_ev mnR ¯^Ztù~Z©fv‡e GB cÖwµqv‡KB
AbymiY K‡i‡Qb| Avi Avcwb †h‡nZz cÖwk¶Y QvovB K‡i †d‡j‡Qb,
cÖwk¶‡Yi c‡i gbQwe Av‡iv A‡bK my›`i n‡e|
cÖkœ : gbQwei mgq †Kv‡bv wKQy †c‡Z n‡j wK g‡b g‡b ïay KíbvB
Ki‡Z n‡e †h, Avwg AvKvw•¶Z e¯‘ †c‡q †MwQ ev †c‡Z PvB, bv Kv‡iv
Kv‡Q `qv wf¶v PvB‡Z n‡e| †hgb Avj-vni wbKU?
DËi : Avm‡j gbQwe‡Z Avcwb †`L‡eb †h, Avcwb †c‡q †M‡Qb| GUv
Kv‡iv Kv‡Q `qv wf¶v bv| Z‡e Avj-vni Kv‡Q cÖv_©bv Kiv wfbœ K_v|
KviY cÖv_©bv gbQwei cÖvwß‡K Z¡ivwš^Z K‡i|

cÖkœ : Avwg GK eQi n‡jv †Kvqv›Uvg MÖvRy‡qU| GZw`‡b Avgvi g‡bi
evwo cwi®‹vi n‡q‡Q| Avi Avgvi gbQweI GLb ¯^‡cœ cwiYZ n‡q‡Q|
gbQweUv‡K gv‡S gv‡S ev¯—e e‡j Kíbv Kwi| Avgvi wek¦vm Avgvi
gbQwe ev¯—‡e cwiYZ n‡e| wKš‘ ïay gbQwe †`L‡jB wK †mUv ev¯—‡e
cwiYZ n‡e? Avcwb nq‡Zv ej‡eb †h, †m Abyhvqx KvR Ki‡Z| wKš‘
¸i“Rx Avgvi gbQweUv GKUz AbïKg| GKgvÎ Avj-vnB †mUv ev¯—‡e
cwiYZ Ki‡Z cvi‡eb| `qv K‡i GB e¨vcviwU GKUz ej‡eb wK?
DËi : hw` GUv ïay Avj-vnB ev¯—evwqZ Ki‡Z cv‡ib Zvn‡j Avj-vni
Ic‡i †Q‡o w`b| GUv wb‡q Avi wPš—v Kivi ìKvi †bB| KviY hv ïay
Avj-vn ev¯—evwqZ Ki‡Z cv‡ib †mLv‡b cÖv_©bv Kiv Qvov Avi †Kv‡bv
Dcvq †bB| †hUvi R‡b¨ Avcbvi Kivi wKQy Av‡Q, †mUv n‡”Q gbQwe|
A‡bï e¨vcv‡i gbQwe
cÖkœ : Ab¨ Kv‡iv DbœwZi R‡b¨ gbQwe Ki‡j †mUv KZUzKz Kvh©Ki n‡e?
†hgb ¯^vgxi eëmvwqK mvdj¨, mš—v‡bi wk¶v‡¶‡Î mvd‡jï gbQwe wK
†`L‡Z cvwi? †m‡¶‡Î Zv Kxfv‡e ev¯—evwqZ n‡e?
DËi : Avm‡j gbQwe wb‡Ri R‡b¨, A‡bï R‡b¨ bq| Avi Avgiv wek¦vm
Kwi †h, Av‡M Avgv‡ì wb‡Ri Kj¨vY Ki‡Z n‡e| hLb Avcwb wb‡Ri
Kj¨vY Ki‡Z cvi‡eb ZLb hw` A‡bï Kj¨vY Ki‡Z hvb †mUv n‡e
hyw³m½Z| Avi wb‡Ri Kj¨vY bv K‡i A‡bï Kj¨vY Ki‡Z hvIqvUv
A‡hŠw³K| KviY Zvi wek¦vm ev Av¯’v †Kv‡bvUvB Avcwb cv‡eb bv|
Z‡e ¯^vgxi eëmvwqK mvdj¨, mš—v‡bi wk¶v‡¶‡Î mvd‡jï R‡b¨
†`vqv Ki‡Z †Kv‡bv evav †bB| wKš‘ G j¶¨¸‡jv AR©‡bi R‡b¨ g~j
cÖ‡Póv Ki‡Z n‡e Zv‡ì‡KB| †m‡¶‡Î Avcbvi cÖZ¨vkv mnvqK wn‡m‡e
KvR Ki‡e| Avcbvi BwZevPK AbyiYb Zv‡ì‡K Av‡iv BwZevPK K‡i
Zzj‡e| ZvB wb‡R †`vqvi cvkvcvwk Zv‡ì‡KI gbQwe †`L‡Z I ev¯—‡e
†Póv Pvjv‡Z DØy× Ki“b| cÖ‡qvR‡b KgvÛ †m›Uv‡i G‡b †evSvb| Avevi
mevB wg‡jI GKmv‡_ gbQwe †`L‡Z cv‡ib|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 51

cÖkœ : mgwóMZ gbQwe mvgwMÖK mvdj¨jv‡f KZUv j¶¨‡f` Ki‡Z cv‡i?
DËi : whwb mgwóMZ mvd‡jï gbQwe †`L‡eb, Kvjµ‡g wZwbB †bZv
n‡eb| KviY wZwb ïay GKvi R‡b¨ wPš—v Ki‡Qb bv, wZwb Ab¨‡ì
R‡bÏ wPš—v Ki‡Qb| wZwb hw` Zvi †gav‡K weKwkZ Ki‡Z cv‡ib
Zvn‡j AbïvI Zvi mv‡_ mshy³ n‡eb Ges mvgwMÖK gbQwe mdj n‡e|
Avm‡j gnvgvbeiv cÖ_‡g GKvB gbQwe †`‡L‡Qb| nhiZ Beªvwng (Av)
†_‡K ïi“ K‡i imyjyj-vn (m) ch©š— mKj gnvgvbe cÖ_‡g wb‡RB gbQwe
†`‡L‡Qb RvwZ‡K cwieZ©b Kivi| Kvjµ‡g Zv mdj n‡q‡Q|
gvnvw_i †gvnv¤§` 1975 mv‡j gbQwe †`L‡jb, AbMÖmi gvj‡qwkqvq
20 eQ‡ii g‡a¨ M‡o Zzj‡eb c„w_exi m‡e©v”P feb| Zvi GKK gbQwe
cy‡iv RvwZi gv‡S mÂvwiZ n‡jv| 1995 mv‡j ZrKvjxb c„w_exi m‡e©v”P
feb wbwg©Z n‡jv gvj‡qwkqvi Kzqvjvjvgcy‡i| AZGe GKK gbQweI
AZ¨š— kw³kvjx n‡Z cv‡i hw` wZwb Zvi wb‡Ri †fZ‡ii kw³‡K
weKwkZ Ki‡Z cv‡ib Ges GUv hw` mvgwMÖK ¯^v‡_© nq| AZGe GKK
gbQwe, hw` GUv Avš—wiK nq, mgwóMZ nq, mvgwMÖK Kj¨v‡Yi R‡b¨ nq
A_©vr mevi DcKv‡ii R‡b¨ nq, Z‡e Aek¨B Zv j¶¨‡f` Ki‡Z cv‡i|
gbQwe ev¯—evq‡b A‡bï mn‡hvwMZv
cÖkœ : gbQwe ev¯—evq‡bi A‡bK Ask Avgvi wbqš¿‡Y †bB| A‡bK
Kv‡Ri R‡b¨ A‡bï Ici wbf©i Ki‡Z nq| GB Ae¯’vq wb‡Ri KiYxq
mwVKfv‡e m¤úbœ Kivi ci Kx Ki‡ev?
DËi : hv‡ì gbQwe ev¯—evwqZ n‡q‡Q, ev¯—evwqZ nIqvi Av‡M
AwaKvsk welqB Zv‡ì wbqš¿‡Y wQ‡jv bv| wKš‘ mgq Zv‡ì‡K GwM‡q
wb‡q †M‡Q, †h‡nZz Zviv j‡¶¨ AwePj wQ‡jb| j¶¨ AR©‡bi R‡b¨ †hUzKz
KvR Kiv m¤¢e †mUzKz Zviv K‡i‡Qb, evwKUyKz n‡q‡Q KviY Zviv cÖK…wZi
mn‡hvwMZv †c‡q‡Qb| Avgv‡ì cÖ‡Z¨‡Ki gb wek¦g‡bi mv‡_ mshy³|
Avm‡j Avcbvi wek¦vm hLb my`„p nq, ZLb mvgwMÖK m‡PZbZv
(collective consciousness) †_‡K mn‡hvMx kw³ P‡j Av‡m, cÖK…wZi
†bc_¨ ¯ú›`b KvR Ki‡Z ïi“ K‡i Avcbvi AbyK~‡j|

cÖkœ : Avgvi gbQwe hw` Ab¨ Kv‡iv B”Qvi wei“‡× nq Ges Avgvi
gbQwe‡Z †m ¸i“Z¡c~Y© nq Z‡e wK GUv Ab¨vq?
DËi : Ab¨ Kv‡iv B”Qvi wei“‡× †Zv gbQwe nIqv DwPZ bq| Z‡e
ai“b, Avcwb GKUv cÖwZ‡hvwMZvq cÖ_g n‡Z Pvb| G‡¶‡Î Ab¨ Kv‡iv
B”Qvi wei“‡× †Zv n‡”Q bv| Avcwb cÖ_g n‡Z Pv‡”QbÑ†K †m‡KÛ n‡jv,
†K _vW© n‡jv GUv wb‡q Avcbvi †Kv‡bv gv_ve¨_v †bB| Ggb n‡j †Kv‡bv
Amyweav †bB| wKš‘ Avcwb hw` g‡b K‡ib AgyK‡K Avwg cÖfvweZ Ki‡Z
PvB Ges Ab¨vqfv‡e Zvi B”Qvi wei“‡× KvR Kiv‡Z PvB| Zvn‡j GUv
gbQwe n‡e bv| GUv åóvPvi e‡j MY¨ n‡e Ges Avcwb ¶wZMÖ¯— n‡eb|
gbQwe‡Z Av¯’v Avb‡Z cviwQ bv
cÖkœ : Avwg †h gbQwe K‡iwQ Avwg †mR‡b¨ R‡b¥wQ wK bvÑGB m‡›`n
Abyf~wZ †_‡K Kxfv‡e †ei n‡ev? Avwg Avm‡j Kx Kv‡Ri R‡b¨ fv‡jv
GUv Luy‡R cvw”Q bv| GUv bv Luy‡R †c‡q Avwg †h RxebQwe ˆZwi K‡iwQ
Zv‡Z c~Y© wek¦vm ¯’vc‡b mgm¨v nq|
DËi : GB m‡›`nUvB n‡”Q GKRb gvby‡li me‡P‡q eo kÎ“| GR‡b¨
†Kvqv›Uv‡gi Rxe‡b Avgiv hZ KvR K‡iwQ Avgiv †Kv_vI GB m‡›`‡ni
cÖkªq †`B wb| hv gvbyl Am¤¢e g‡b K‡i‡Q, cieZ©x‡Z †mUvB m¤¢e
wn‡m‡e ev¯—‡e †`Lv †M‡Q|
†Kv‡m©i K_vB ewjÑAvgiv hLb ïi“ Kijvg, Avwg †h‡nZz Av‡M
mvsevw`KZv K‡iwQ, G÷ªjwR K‡iwQÑAvgvi wbR¯^ GKUv mv‡K©j wQ‡jv|
mevB ï‡b ej‡jv, Kx e‡jb? GKRb gvbyl cqmv w`‡q Avm‡e Avi Pvi
w`b e‡m e‡m ïay Avcbvi K_v ïb‡e! Am¤¢e! Av‡i gvbyl GKKfv‡e
GKUv bv‡Pi †cÖvMÖvg/ Mv‡bi †cÖvMÖvg `yB/ wZb NÈvi †ewk Ki‡Z cv‡i
bv| Avi Avcwb †Zv ïay K_v ej‡eb! KZ¶Y gvbyl ïb‡e!
Avwg ejjvg, Avwg †Zv wb‡Ri K_v ej‡ev bv, Avwg Zvi DcKv‡ii
K_v ej‡ev| Avi wb‡Ri DcKvi, wb‡Ri fv‡jv †Zv cvMjI †ev‡S|
†mLv‡b †Zv hviv Avm‡eb Zviv me my¯’ gvbyl, me fv‡jv gvbyl, Zviv
ïb‡eb bv? we`ªƒcKvixiv ej‡jb †h, nuv, †`Lv hv‡e|
ce© 2 mvdj¨ 53

Avgiv Avj-vni ïKwiqv Av`vq Kwi| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyl †Kvqv›Uvg
†g_W †Kv‡m© G‡m DcK…Z n‡q‡Qb| KviY gvby‡li 75 fvM †ivM n‡”Q
g‡bv‰`wnK| Avi 25 fvM Bb‡dKkb, ˆ`wnK AvNvZ, Ilya I
Acv‡ik‡bi cÖwZwµqvi Kvi‡Y| GB 25 fv‡Mi R‡b¨ Wv³vi cÖ‡qvRb|
wKš‘ g‡bv‰`wnK ev g‡bi R‡Ui Kvi‡Y †h 75 fvM †ivM nq Zv Ilya
w`‡q wVK Kiv hv‡e bv| gb‡K w`‡q wVK Ki‡Z n‡e| a¨v‡bi ¯—‡i gb
hLb K_v¸‡jv ïb‡e, g‡bi RU Lyj‡e Ges wZwb fv‡jv n‡eb|
†h hv-B ejyK Avgiv wek¦v‡m AUj wQjvg| ZLb †Zv †Kv‡bv D`vniY
wQ‡jv bv| D`vniY m„wó n‡q‡Q †Kvm© ïi“ Kivi c‡i| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyl
DcK…Z n‡q‡Q| GLb jv‡Lv gvbyl DcK…Z n‡”Q| KviY Avgv‡`i †Kv‡bv
wØav wQ‡jv bv|
Avgvi e³…Zv Kivi †Kv‡bv AwfÁZv wQ‡jv bv| Avwg mvBwKqvwUª÷ ev
mvB‡KvjwR÷I bB| wKš‘ wek¦vm K‡iwQ †h, G‡¶‡Î cÖvwZôvwbK †Kv‡bv
wWwMÖ hw` bv-I _v‡K, Avwg GB welqwU Rvwb, Avwg GB welqwU ey‡SwQ|
Avj-vn‡K e‡jwQ †h, Avj-vn, Avwg e³v bB| e³…Zv Rvwb bv| Rxe‡b
†Kv‡bvw`b e³…Zv Kwi wb| wKš‘ Avgv‡K †Zv GB mZ¨ K_v¸‡jv ej‡Z
n‡e| Zzwg Avgv‡K ejvi kw³ `vI| Avj-vn Zvqvjv kw³ w`‡q‡Qb|
Avgvi mnawg©YxI Avgvi Av‡jvPbv ï‡b AevK n‡jb| KviY Av‡M
Dwb ej‡Zb Avwg ïbZvg| Avwg †kªvZv wn‡m‡e wKš‘ GL‡bv Lye fv‡jv|
wKš‘ †Kvm© †k‡l Dwb ej‡jb †h, Zzwg †h GZ K_v ej‡Z cv‡iv Zv †Zv
Av‡M eywS wb| Avwg ejjvg, Av‡M ejvi cÖ‡qvRb nq wb| GLb ejvi
cÖ‡qvRb| Avgvi wek¦v‡mi K_v †Zv Avgv‡KB ej‡Z n‡e| Avgvi
wek¦v‡mi K_v †Zv Av‡iKRb Avgvi g‡Zv K‡i ej‡Z cvi‡e bv|
AZGe Rxe‡b hv Ki‡eb wek¦v‡mi mv‡_ Ki‡eb| hLb †KD wek¦vm
K‡i †d‡j ZLb Avj-vni Ki“Yv Zvi Ic‡i P‡j Av‡m| Avi Avcbvi
wek¦vm Avcbv‡KB Ki‡Z n‡e| Av‡iKRb wek¦vm Ki‡j Avcbvi Zv‡Z
†Kv‡bv jvf n‡e bv|
Avj-vn Zvqvjv cÖ‡Z¨KUv gvbyl‡K Avjv`v Avjv`v K‡i m„wó K‡i‡Qb|
Kv‡iv g‡Zv KvD‡K m„wó K‡ib wb| AZGe Avcbv‡K †h ¶gZv Avj-vn
w`‡q‡Qb, Avcbv‡K †h gw¯—®‹ Avj-vn w`‡q‡Qb, GB gw¯—®‹‡K hw` Avcwb
Kv‡R jvMv‡Z cv‡ibÑAvcvZ Am¤¢e‡K m¤¢e Ki‡Z cvi‡eb| wKš‘
Avgiv cvwi bv †Kb? Avgv‡`i wPš—v¸‡jv wew”Qbœ-wew¶ß, m‡›`‡n

Avµvš—| †m R‡b¨ cvwi bv| Avgiv m•Ne× bB e‡j Avgiv cvwi bv|
hLb GKv _vK‡eb wØav †ewk _vK‡e|
whwb †gavex, hvi †gav †`‡L Avgiv wew¯§Z nBÑZvi †eªb Avi
Avgv‡ì †eª‡bi g‡a¨ †gŠwjK †Kv‡bv ZdvZ †bB| Avgv‡ì †eª‡bi
wbD‡ivb¸‡jv n‡”Q wew”Qbœ wew¶ß| ms‡hvM Kg| whwb †gavex wZwb
ms‡hvMUv evov‡Z _v‡Kb| Avi wbD‡ivb †_‡K wbD‡iv‡b ms‡hvM hZ
evov‡eb ZZ Avcwb mdj n‡eb| Avgv‡ì mgv‡R cÖfvekvjx gvbyl
ZvivB hviv m•Ne×| hvi mv‡_ hZ gvby‡li ms‡hvM i‡q‡Q Zvi kw³
¶gZv ZZ †ewk| Avcwb GKUv Awd‡m KvR Ki‡Z hv‡”Qb, mKvj †_‡K
e‡m Av‡Qb, †Kv‡bv KvR n‡”Q bv| Gi g‡a¨ hvi mvg‡b e‡m Av‡Qb
wZwb nq‡Zv GKUv †dvb †c‡jb wKQy¶Y ci| Avcbvi mvg‡bB
Av‡iKRb †jvK XyK‡jv| Zvi KvRUv Zr¶Yvr K‡i Dwb Zv‡K †Q‡o
w`‡jb Avi Avcwb e‡mB Av‡Qb| †Kb? ms‡hv‡Mi R‡b¨|
Avcwb hZ wbD‡iv‡bi ms‡hvM evov‡eb ZZ Avcbvi †gav‡K Kv‡R
jvMv‡Z cvi‡eb| AZGe wek¦vm Ki‡Z n‡e Ges wek¦v‡m AUj _vK‡Z
n‡e| hLbB wek¦vm Ki‡ebÑwb‡f©Rvj wek¦vm Ki‡eb, ZLb gw¯—®‹ KvR
Ki‡Z ïi“ Ki‡e| ZLb Ki“Yvg‡qi Ki“Yv Avcbvi Ici ewl©Z n‡e|
Avm‡j me ai‡bi †gavB gw¯—‡®‹ myß _v‡K| 700 †KvwU gvbyl GKB
¶gZvm¤úbœ gw¯—®‹ aviY Ki‡Q hvi ˆRe ivmvqwbK MV‡b †Kv‡bv cv_©K¨
†bB| †h wel‡q Avcwb AvMÖnx I wek¦vmx n‡eb †mB msµvš— wbD‡iv‡b
ms‡hvMvqb I mwµqZv m„wó n‡e| Avcwb j¶¨cv‡b GwM‡q hv‡eb|
cÖkœ : gbQwe Av‡Q Rxe‡b eo nevi| wKš‘ †hfv‡e mewKQy G¸‡”Q g‡b
m‡›`n Rv‡M| nZvk n‡q cwo| mevB Drmvn †`q| ZviciI mg‡qi
†cÖw¶‡Z Lye †ewk nZvk n‡q cwo| Kx Ki‡Z cvwi? gbQwe hv †`wL †mB
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