I have a planetary system with a yellow dwarf similar to our own Sun and three habitable planets. I want to hide this system from sight and long range scans in a nebula, a giant cloud of dust and gas in space. Can this planetary system exist safely hidden within the nebula or within a pocket of empty space in the nebula?
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$\begingroup$ Possible duplicate of Is it possible for a nebula to hide a solar system(s) from scientists here on Earth?) . $\endgroup$– Escaped dental patient.Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 17:56
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$\begingroup$ You're describing the planet Larry Niven wrote about in "The Mote in God's Eye" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God%27s_Eye $\endgroup$– Morris The CatCommented Jul 1, 2019 at 17:56
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1$\begingroup$ @MorrisTheCat This also sounds very similar to the planet Krikkit from The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy $\endgroup$– MindSwipeCommented Jul 2, 2019 at 5:54
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$\begingroup$ @MorrisTheCat the Motie system is not hidden in the nebula - it is on the other side of the Coalsack Nebula from Earth, so presumably can't be seen from here (the plot doesn't involve people living here anyway), but people in other systems in the trans-Coalsack sector can see it just fine. $\endgroup$– lessthanidealCommented Nov 11, 2022 at 0:48
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We have plenty of examples where stars have been hidden by nebulae - and not just newborn stars. Typically, the gas and dust comes from mass loss from one of the stars in the system. Examples include
- LL Pegasi, a binary system containing a carbon star that is sloughing off large amounts of dust as it nears the end of its life. This makes the star visible only in infrared light.
- CW Leonis, a similar star which seems to have a binary companion that has evaded direct detection; its existence was only discovered through measurements of the motion of the primary.
Some stars, as L.Dutch indicated, can ionize the gas surrounding them, producing HII regions and emission nebulae which are easy to find. However, these stars are typically hot and massive; their high temperatures mean their emission peaks at shorter wavelengths, and therefore they emit more high-energy photons capable of ionizing the circumstellar hydrogen. Your star, on the other hand, should be fine, as it's comparatively cool.
A yellow dwarf seems comparatively unlikely to form a dust cloud while it's on the main sequence; later in life, as it enters the asymptotic giant branch phase, it could if it indeed becomes a carbon star like the stars I mentioned above. To form this dust cloud, then, perhaps there's a companion stars on an eccentric, long-period orbit, constantly replenishing a large circumstellar cloud of dust that enshrouds the system.
(Of course, as Juraj suggested, the system could simply be moving temporarily through an interstellar cloud, e.g. something as dense as a Bok globule. I'd been thinking largely of systems that would be stable over longer periods of time, and I'd completely missed that possibility.)
It's true that the dust will reemit light, peaking at a few microns, firmly in the infrared part of the electromagnetic spectrum. CW Leonis, for instance, is extremely bright, as seen from Earth, at 5 microns. But unless the people doing the scanning are carrying instruments capable of imaging the system at those wavelengths, it won't pick anything up. If they're on a spaceship, I think it's unlikely a ship would have such an infrared imaging system; most objects radiate at plenty of other wavelengths, and carrying optical or radio instruments seems much more efficient.
answered Jul 1, 2019 at 18:22
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1$\begingroup$ In galaxies everything is moving so the star could just happen to move through a cloud formed by unrelated process. $\endgroup$– JurajCommented Jul 1, 2019 at 21:36
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$\begingroup$ @Juraj Good point; I've mentioned that. $\endgroup$– HDE 226868 ♦Commented Jul 2, 2019 at 1:20
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When you want to hide a star, distance is your friend. Due to the famous law, the luminosity of a star decreases with the square of the distance. Therefore the farther the observer is, the more difficult it is to see the star.
But what happens if you put the star in a nebula?
The light of the star will excite the atoms in the nebula, getting them to emit light. As a consequence, instead of a dim point, you have now a diffuse glow that shouts, for those who can hear, "hey, I am hiding a star here!".
Wrapping up: if you want to hide the planets, maybe the nebula is a good idea, as the current technologies we have for detecting planet rely on the direct observation of the emission of the main star. If you want to hide the main star, better rely on attenuation with distance.
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$\begingroup$ Eh, HII regions like the ones you're talking about are more likely to form around hotter, high-mass stars, which produce more of the energetic photons needed to ionize and excite the atoms in the surrounding gas. For cooler stars, like the OP's, a shroud of dust and gas is indeed quite likely to hide the star - see e.g. LL Pegasi. $\endgroup$– HDE 226868 ♦Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 18:09
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$\begingroup$ @HDE226868, that might hold for visible wavelengths. But we scan the sky in many other frequencies, and the dust cannot only absorb energy. Somewhere in the spectrum it has to put it out. $\endgroup$– L.Dutch ♦Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 18:37
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$\begingroup$ That assumes that the scans are happening at infrared wavelengths, though. The dust would probably show an emission peak at a few microns; unless the observers are scanning at those wavelengths, it won't see much. I mean, maybe the people doing the observations planned for this in advance, but if, for instance, they're on a spaceship, they'd be more likely to have optical and radio instruments on board, rather than something designed to image infrared light. $\endgroup$– HDE 226868 ♦Commented Jul 1, 2019 at 18:41
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If you are worried about the habitability of these planets with a nebula, they could be just fine. As star systems travel through space they can pass through nebulae of varying sizes and have nebulae form near them and fill the sky with colour. I imagine the night sky on these worlds could be spectacular.
