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The power supply that came with my Chromebook died recently and I've had a hella time just to find a charger that's just right for it. When studying different recommendations from different sources it wipes me out. I serviced consumer electronics for many moons but, this USB C standard has got me bumfuzzeled. What can I pick that's "Safe" but, maybe a little extra under the Hood for a little zoom? Samsung supplied a small Wall unit that had a USB "C" jack on it with a good size cable, (but Way to stiff),that went 1st. I purchased a "cheapy" to try to get by but it's not any better than a smartphone variety kind. Could you please steer me in the right direction?

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    Saying what model of chromebook would be a good idea
    – Journeyman Geek
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 0:44
  • Oh sorry,,, Samsung 4+
    – Rick Cole
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 14:27
  • I was able to find the power rating for what I believe to be the correct model, it is rated for 15 volts @ 2 amps or 9 volts @ 3 amps. My answer below goes into more detail and general advice for selecting a replacement USB-C power brick for a notebook. If I'm correct on the specifications then I'd consider this a "small" notebook computer in my more detailed answer below.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 15:55

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this USB C standard has got me bumfuzzeled. What can I pick that's "Safe" but, maybe a little extra under the Hood for a little zoom?

The Chromebooks I looked at require about 30 watts minimum, so use that as one alternative.

Look on the bottom of the Chromebook or its docs and this will tell you what power to use.

Adding much more power will NOT supply more "zoom" to the computer. Computers (and all like DC devices) draw current. Current (power) is NOT pushed. A larger power adapter may provide faster charging and that will be useful. 50 to 65 watts are common.

So just get the best charger / adapter that fits your machine.

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  • +1. What a larger psu WILL do is run cooler and more reliably because the parts are less stressed. Of-course they may waste a bit more power because they are likely optimed for a heavier draw.
    – davidgo
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 6:40
  • 100% Exactly just what you wrote. I always try to use "oversized" PS's for everything from Desktop's to portable audio amplifier;s, (My weakness), Just for that purpose. Switch mode supply's that are built right sure BEAT the transformer type, (except maybe for isolation)! I spied many units where the manufacturer's description was fine but people's reviews mostly sucked! That's why I'm Lost on the USB C standard. I'd like to get a "100" wattage but not necessarily a "Quick" charger.
    – Rick Cole
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 15:09
  • I had even thought about rigging up .a Desktop PC supply's +5 source but, knew it was Overkill Ijust need something decent and DEPENDABLE people!
    – Rick Cole
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 15:19
  • Please don't consider rigging up a desktop PC supply to power a device that uses USB-C for charging. Most of all because this sounds very dangerous. This is also likely to be not very "dependable" as USB-C is limited to 15 watts when operating at 5 volts, which would mean very slow charging. That is assuming it charges at all as some devices will require a minimum 9 volts to charge. Making things dependable takes effort, and so costs money. Look for USB-C power bricks with good reviews and don't dismiss it because it costs a bit more than the competitor.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 16:27
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With something like a chromebook with USB C - chances are its USB power delivery, and something with 65W would be a safe bet (45W might be enough), with a matching cable if seperated (they're rated as well - I standardised on 100w capable cables). The charger and the system will negotiate the right voltage and safely and efficiently charge it. Essentially any usb power delivery capable charger with the above specs ought to work.

This is true of nearly all 'modern' laptops that run USB C - just a matter of how 'big' the charger would need to be.

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  • Good advice, I'll just pick a nit where it likely doesn't need picking. Since the release of the USB-PD 3.1 new cables will be tested/certified to 20V/3A/60W or 48V/5A/240W. The old USB-PD 3.0 20V/5A/100W spec is deprecated. I'm not sure what this means in practice. There's likely plenty of certified 100W cables for those that want them just because that's been the norm for so long. After New-old-stock runs out then maybe then comes out new 100W cables built off the same molds but lacking the blessing of the USB. Also out are new 240 W cables that have USB blessing. Stick to 60 W?
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 8:37
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    well I suspect "any" cable will be ok for this purpose and the highest wattage gear I have is 100W) Ideally though you wouldn't want say a 2 dollar cable here. I might standardise on higher wattage in future but I'd say at least 65W would be a good bet
    – Journeyman Geek
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 8:47
  • Indeed, any USB-C cable that meets the minimum specs will allow for up to 60 watts. 100 watt cables are widely available still and for little added expense over 60 watt. I recall 60 watt 1 meter cables for $8 online and 100 watt 2 meter cables for $19 at a big box store, of course your mileage will vary. I put the price difference mostly on the longer cable and big box overhead than having more power. My nit pick is at some point 100 watt cables will (in theory at least) be going away, leaving only 60 watt and 240 watt options.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 14:15
  • Also note that some "65 watt" power bricks supply no more than 60 watts by USB-C, the additional 5 watts is only available from a second power output port, a second port may be A or C type. A 100 watt cable is no better or worse than a 60 watt cable in this case. Once a power brick or cable gets beyond 60 watts it is in "high power" territory so that places extra restrictions, and therefore cost, on their manufacture. I've seen "60 watt" power bricks with 5 x 12 watt ports, so buyer beware as that won't do well to charge a laptop.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 14:44
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When USB-C first came out it was quite common to see USB-C power bricks, and the devices that would charge up from them, violate the specifications in ways that could, and did, break things and start fires. Those days are long gone so if you've bought gear that is has been built recent enough (in "internet years") to not be considered ancient, and wasn't built by some fly-by-night outfit, then it will be safe.

The USB Power Delivery specification requires anything with USB-C to be safe when connected to each other, even if connected in nonsensical and nonfunctional configurations. For example plugging two power bricks together by a USB-C cable won't short anything out because neither power brick will put voltage on the power pins until there's something connected that asks nicely for power. There are pins that provide low voltage at low power so a phone that has run the battery completely dead will have enough power from the brick to "wake up" and do what's necessary to ask nicely for power to charge up. It would take damaged hardware to make this unsafe.

But then you had "safe" in quotes so I suspect this is more than about not causing damage but being of sufficient power capacity to meet the power requirements to charge in a reasonable amount of time. If you still have the old power brick then you should be able to find the rated power written somewhere on it, perhaps in faded ink and small print so it could take looking very closely. Getting a power brick of the same or larger power rating will be "safe". A more powerful brick won't hurt, and a power brick that is slightly less powerful won't start any fires and so should be "safe" as well.

Apple is somewhat (in)famous for including power bricks with their products that are less powerful than the device can take on in power. I doubt Apple is alone in this tactic for up-selling. I use Apple as an example because that is what I am most familiar with, not to endorse them. Using Apple products as a guide I suspect a Chromebook, or any notebook, on the "small" end of the spectrum will work fine with a 20 or 30 watt USB-C power brick but will be able to charge more quickly with a 40 to 60 watt brick. Until about a year ago the USB-C spec was limited to 100 watts so that was the limit for any notebook computer, Apple or not, which means many devices on the market are still built to this 100 watt limit. This means a lot of "medium" notebooks in the 40 to 60 watt range, and "large" notebooks in the 75 to 90 watt range. As of a year or so ago USB-C will allow up to 240 watts so we find "extra large" notebooks will be happiest with a power brick in the 150 watt range. If history is a guide then power requirements will creep up to fit this new 240 watt limit for "small", "medium", and "large", but perhaps I digress.

The price differential between USB-C power bricks of different power levels is usually quite small, so it may be "safest" to buy the largest power brick that you feel offers the best value. For example a 30 watt power brick might be $60, a 45 watt brick $65, a 60 watt brick $70, and an 90 watt brick $75. For 125% in dollars you get 300% in power. A 90 watt brick is going to charge most anything with USB-C, from a Bluetooth headphone set to the most powerful notebook computer available today. It's quite "future proof", but also an extra $20 or so.

So, perhaps the best option is find the power rating of the old brick and buy a new one with the same power rating. Don't sweat a few watts plus or minus but if there is any doubt then pick something slightly more powerful. If you don't know for certain then take an educated guess by buying something that matches the power on similar products, and again if in doubt go with a few extra watts to be "safe". If all else fails then just go big, the higher power rating won't hurt anything. The higher power rating might not help either but it won't break any hardware, and that's cheap "insurance" for $20 or so.

If the question is which brand of power supply is "safe" then that can get in the realm of opinion, and this is not the forum for opinion. If looking for the closest thing to objective data on this then some research on customer satisfaction and reported failures can shed light on that. What is likely "safe" are brands that have been in the business for a while. Again, I used Apple as an example because that's where I have most experience, not as any endorsement. I can think up many brands I'd trust, all likely to give as much value for the dollar as Apple. Stick with established brands and you are not likely to get burned, and that burn may be more than figurative.

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  • Not trying to get off subject but when you mentioned Apple, that's a big chunk of my fears. After watching several different YouTube post accusing Apple, (and Alienware also), of being underly built and overly priced,I find it kinda hard to trust Most manufacturers and certainly Chinese brands. Thank you people for a bit of your knowledge. I'll probably buy a Targus 65W USB-C Laptop Charger, APA104BT and probably cross My fingers It has good ratings. Lol Please have a great weekend....
    – Rick Cole
    Commented Oct 7, 2022 at 21:12
  • Apple or Lenovo would be my top picks for a laptop power supply, those are likely the top two best selling brands of laptops and they've been at the top for a long time. Then in no particular order would be Dell, HP, and Samsung as these are popular brands. I could list another 5 brand names if I had to, and Targus would not be on that list because I have no experience with them. After a look at the specs I have many questions and comments about the Targus APA104BT, but they won't fit here both because of space and subject matter. I'd buy something else but that's just me.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 12:51
  • Oh, and one more thing... 65 watts is likely a good pick. Even an unusually large laptop would charge from 65 watt power bricks, and would keep up with such a large laptop unless under heavy load. My MacBook Pro came with a 67 watt power brick and I was able to run it from a 27 watt brick just fine, the battery wasn't running down with some web surfing and light YouTube viewing.
    – MacGuffin
    Commented Oct 8, 2022 at 13:02

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