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Dagor Dagorath - Is there any indication of who may return?

As you know, this is the apocolyptic event which occurs at the end of LOTR. I've been searching non-stop but simply cannot find if any from say, War of the Ring will return. People like Gandalf, The ...
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Why did Saruman seem to believe that Sauron wouldn't return?

In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, when Gandalf is meeting with Saruman, Galadriel and Elrond in Rivendell, they are discussing the Necromancer. When Gandalf suggests that it is Sauron returning, ...
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In 'The Hobbit: AUJ', why is Gandalf submissive in Saruman's presence?

In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey movie, Gandalf appears particularly subdued/submissive in Saruman's presence during their meeting at Rivendell. Why is this so? Is it simply because Saruman is of ...
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In Rivendell, did Saruman try to use his "Voice" on Elrond, Galadriel and Gandalf?

In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012), when the company arrive to Rivendell, Gandalf is asked to attend a surprise reunion with Elrond, Galadriel and Saruman the White. Saruman then opposes ...
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Was Saruman's secret plan settled when he meet Gandalf in Rivendell?

In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012), when the company arrive to Rivendell, Gandalf is asked to attend a surprise reunion with Elrond, Galadriel and Saruman the White. Saruman then opposes ...
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