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The Book of Ancient Secrets invocation says (PHB p. 110):

On your adventures, you can add other ritual spells to your Book of Shadows. When you find such a spell, you can add it to the book if the spell's level is equal to or less than half your warlock level (rounded up) and if you can spare the time to transcribe the spell. For each level of the spell, the transcription process takes 2 hours and costs 50 gp for the rare inks needed to inscribe it.

The top answer to this question suggests that you can copy any spells that have the (ritual) tag that you find in a wizard's spellbook or in the ritual book of someone with the Ritual Caster feat. This other question suggests that you can also copy from a scroll, including non-wizard spell scrolls with the (ritual) tag. Are there any other sources?

I'm looking for either a rules/Sage Advice/similar citation on how this works, or failing that, personal experience regarding the effect of allowing or disallowing certain sources. (Also I realize this is technically a list question, but there should be a single correct answer that is short, well-constrained, and static barring a major rules change.)

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Looks like any written source (via Twitter):

Matt Harrah: "...For Book of Shadows warlock: what constitutes "finding" a ritual spell? A book/scroll? Observation of cast?"

Jeremy Crawford: "...Finding one written down."

A wizard's spell book, another warlocks Book of Shadows, or a scroll all qualify. I could see a DM making one carved on a wall of dungeon, etc, and it would count RAW and RAI.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Interesting. Does Mike's response mean this answer is wrong, then? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 3:26
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes that does mean that particular answer is wrong. What Mike and Jeremy are saying is any WRITTEN form. SO, if you had the ability to create a Spell Scroll of any spell you know (rather...write it down) THEN you could copy that spell into your Book of Shadows. I have a Druid with a Ritual Book and must do the same for any personal ritual spells I want to add to it. \$\endgroup\$
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  • \$\begingroup\$ Wizards can scribe spells they have prepared, but warlocks must have a written version to copy into their Book of Rituals? And if it's such a straight-forward answer, why is that not explicit in the rules? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 12:53
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    \$\begingroup\$ SirTechSpec, yes that answer is wrong. "Find" means "find," RAW. Nothing in the book says otherwise. LegendaryDude: It is explicit, "When you find a new spell..." Why is that hard to understand? Is there some other text that you are drawing from that talks about writing and Books of Shadow that make you believe the answers have to harder than what is in that invocation? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 15:57
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    \$\begingroup\$ Could you please quote the relevant text from the link? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 17:20
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TL;DR

Allowed sources are

  • Written sources found in the course of adventuring
  • Spellbooks/Book of Shadows/ritual books of wizards/tomelocks/ritual casters in your party.

"Finding" means finding a written copy of a spell. (Tweet from JeremyECrawford)

frizbog to mikemearls, JeremyECrawford: For Book of Shadows warlock: what constitutes "finding" a ritual spell? A book/scroll? Observation of cast?

JeremyECrawford to frizbog, mikemearls: Finding one written down.

For example, a tomelock cannot inscribe a prepared spell. (Tweet by Mike Mearls, knowledgeable expert, but not RAW.)

SorcererQzot to JeremyECrawford, frizbog, mikemearls: Can they write down a spell they have prepared already?

mikemearls to SorcererQzot, JeremyECrawford, frizbog: no - requires creation of a scroll or spellbook

One written source is other players' spellbooks. (Tweet from JeremyECrawford)

LordHighMarshal to JeremyECrawford, frizbog, mikemearls How would one get a ritual spell if it is in another party member's spell book?

JeremyECrawford to LordHighMarshal, frizbog, mikemearls The warlock could copy the ritual spell from that spellbook.

Can rituals be copied from another warlock's Book of Shadows or from a ritual book? I've seen no ruling which explicitly says these are permitted. However, since "finding" means "finding a written source" and since using another player's wizard spellbook is specifically permitted, copying from another Book of Shadows or ritual book fits the same definition of "finding" as copying from a wizard's spellbook.

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Rules as Intended, if consistency is to be maintained between Ritual Caster and Book of Ancient Secrets:

Ritual Caster

Choose one of the following classes: bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You must choose your spells from that class’s spell list, and the spells you choose must have the ritual tag.

If you come across a spell in written form, such as a magical spell scroll or a wizard’s spellbook, you might be able to add it to your ritual book. The spell must be on the spell list for the class you chose, the spell’s level can be no higher than half your level (rounded up), and it must have the ritual tag.

Book of Ancient Secrets

On your adventures, you can add other ritual spells to your Book of Shadows. When you find such a spell, you can add it to the book if the spell's level is equal to or less than half your warlock level (rounded up) and if you can spare the time to transcribe the spell. For each level of the spell, the transcription process takes 2 hours and costs 50 gp for the rare inks needed to inscribe it.

The constraints are that the spell be physically written down, or inscribed, equal or less than half your level, and you have the time and materials to transcribe it. This follows the rules interpretation provided by Jeremy Crawford and Mike Mearls, where the explained the Pact of the Tome Warlock with the Book of Ancient Secrets must find the ritual spells written down.

You have already identified the prime sources: other spell books and scrolls, if the spell has the ritual tag.

Additional locations could be allowed, or rather included, by the DM for strategic reasons. A story driver ritual spell could be etched into the wall of a dungeon, serving as a key for a future dungeon.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Where do those constraints come from? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 12:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ @LegendaryDude Side by side comparison of Book of Ancient Secrets and Ritual Caster. Edited to include their text for review and context. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 13:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm not sure I agree that the rules for Ritual Caster should apply to Book of Ancient Secrets, however I've removed the downvote because you've cited your sources to back up your reasoning. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 13:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ @LegendaryDude Jeremy Crawford and Mike Mearls provided the depth for this interpretation. The answer you provided elsewhere isn't wrong, just incomplete. The Warlock would have to spend time creating a spell scroll of the known ritual spell from the Warlock spell list, than transcribe the information from that scroll into their tome. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 13:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ The problem there is that only wizards can scribe scrolls, and only of spells on the wizard list, so the warlock is only capable of scribing known rituals that are on the wizard list and only if he has multiclassed into wizard. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 13:30
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Per the PHB page 110,

You can add other ritual spells to your Book of Shadows. When you find such a spell, you can add it to the book if the spell's level is equal to or less than half your warlock level (rounded up) and you can spare the time to transcribe the spell.

The only written spell sources are scrolls, a Wizard's spell book, and a Ritual Caster's book. It's slightly ambiguous, but a very lenient DM may accept a non-written form of a spell under 'find'. Such a thing might be a ritual spell available from a wand or staff. I would not.

The only other clearly acceptable alternative to a written spell is a spell the Warlock himself already knows.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Not my downvote, but when I said I was looking for citations for how it works, I meant besides the one in the question, as that doesn't really say anything about what they mean by "find". \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 3:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ @SirTechSpec Ah, looks like you edited the question somewhat, weakening this answer. I thought this was a good answer because I cite the only written rule on it, confirm your assessment, and provide a suggestion for an alternate ruling on 'find'. Perhaps the phrasing needs work? \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 10:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yeah I think even just saying "there are no rules other than the one you already stated" would be better, so people aren't going back and forth to see if they're the same or if they missed something. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 3, 2016 at 12:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ @SirTechSpec I'm not sure at this point how I can salvage this answer without basically copying one of the other answers. The only thing I found that I didn't see in other answers is another source: the artifact Book of Vile Darkness. The sidebar titled "Vile Lore" lists a ritual spell, Vile Apotheosis, for turning into a lich or death knight. That doesn't seem meaty enough to merit rewriting the answer. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 4, 2016 at 1:54

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