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The Manifest Echo feature lets the Echo Knight fighter create an echo, and attack from the echo's space (EGtW, p. 183):

When you take the Attack action on your turn, any attack you make with that action can originate from your space or the echo's space. You make this choice for each attack.

Suppose an attack originating from the echo's space hits a paralyzed creature. The Paralyzed condition states the following:

Any attack that hits the creature is a critical hit if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature.

If the echo is within 5 feet of the paralyzed target but the Echo Knight isn't, is it automatically a critical hit?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Is my answer good enough for an accept? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 24, 2021 at 13:24

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Yes. "The attack originates from the echo's space" means we treat the attacker as being in the echo's space for rules purposes.

The Echo Knight fighter's Manifest Echo feature states (EGtW, p. 183):

[...] any attack you make with that action can originate from your space or the echo's space.

"Originate...from the echo's space" indicates that for the purposes of this attack, any rules applicable for that attack treat you as though you are in the echo's space. So for the purposes of the critical hit rule on a paralyzed creature, we treat "the attacker" as though they are in the echo's space.

Therefore, it’s a critical hit.

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    \$\begingroup\$ I agree, but this answer could benefit from a clearer explanation of why this interpretation of the rules is actually backed up by and consistent with the rules in general. As is, it sounds like a ruling you make as a DM. It is not entirely clear from your answer, why "any rules applicable for that attack treat you as though you are in the echo's space". \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 18, 2021 at 11:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ I don't think this is correct. Your ruling is basically the same as the third bullet point in Manifest Echo, concerning Opportunity Attacks which says "make an opportunity attack against that creature as if you were in the echo’s space.". If the second bullet point, which is discussed here, was meant to behave exactly the same they would have used the same wording. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 8 at 21:52
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No

Manifest Echo, second bullet point (emphasis mine):

When you take the Attack action on your turn, any attack you make with that action can originate from your space or the echo's space. You make this choice for each attack.

There is nothing in Manifest Echo that changes who makes the attack. The echo is not making an attack, but your attack originates from the echo's space. You are still making the attack.

Paralyzed(emphasis mine):

Any attack that hits the creature is a critical hit if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature.

Paralyzed does not say that the attack must come from within 5 feet, but specifically that the attacker must be within 5 feet. So since it's the echo knight who makes the attack, it's the distance between the target and the echo knight, the attacker, that matters.

We can compare this to the third bullet point in Manifest Echo(emphasis mine):

When a creature that you can see within 5 feet of your echo moves at least 5 feet away from it, you can use your reaction to make an opportunity attack against that creature as if you were in the echo’s space.

This opportunity attack is made as if you were in the echo's space. This wording is not present in the second bullet point. Since they use this wording here, it's reasonable to assume that they would have used the same wording in the second bullet point if the attack was meant to be treated as if the echo knight was in the echo's space.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Can you provide any rules text that supports this, given the quoted portion of Manifest Echo? \$\endgroup\$
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  • \$\begingroup\$ @minnmass the relevant rules were already quoted, but I added them with emphasis. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 7 at 8:09
  • \$\begingroup\$ I would really appreciate it if those who downvote would say why they think I'm wrong. If I'm wrong I would like to stop being wrong. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 8 at 21:49

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