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Artificers have to hold a tool or an infused item in hand to cast spells...

Tools Required

You must have a spellcasting focus—specifically thieves' tools or some kind of artisan's tool—in hand when you cast any spell with this Spellcasting feature (meaning the spell has an 'M' component when you cast it). You must be proficient with the tool to use it in this way. See chapter 5, "Equipment," in the Player's Handbook for descriptions of these tools. After you gain the Infuse Item feature at 2nd level, you can also use any item bearing one of your infusions as a spellcasting focus.

So an infused Armor (ie. armor with enhanced defense) shouldn't be suited, or is it?

But some armors (ie. Half-Plate) come with gauntlets and the whole armor counts as one infused item... so technically you constantly have infused items in both hands even if you hold nothing in it, am I right? Or do I get something very wrong?

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You can't use worn infused armor as a focus.

Your analysis of the "Tools Required" section is correct. You must have an infused item in your hand if you want to use it as your arcane focus. If you're wearing infused armor, you're not holding it in your hand, so you can't use it as your focus.

Even if the infused armor includes gauntlets, you won't have all of the infused item in your hand. You'll only be holding part of it, so a strict reading of the rules will conclude that it's not eligible to be a focus.


Your DM may make an exception for flavor.

One of the great things about being an artificer is figuring out how to re-flavor your spells, describing how exactly they manifest via your mastery of magical substances and devices. (See "The Magic of Artifice" sidebar on page 11 of Tasha's Cauldron of Everything for reference.)

Because of this class emphasis on creative re-skinning, your DM may be open to an especially fun idea about how to cast one or more spells through your gauntlet. Discuss it with them outside your play session. They may choose to allow it, or or the two of you may come up with an alternative that you'll both find acceptable.


An Armorer's worn arcane armor can be used as a focus.

The Artificer's Armorer subclass can use worn armor as a spellcasting focus, but it can't be just any infused armor; it must be the arcane armor granted by the subclass's 3rd-level feature. While wearing it:

You can use the arcane armor as a spellcasting focus for your artificer spells.

Note that this armor can hold an infusion just like any other armor. Furthermore, at 9th level the Armorer gains the Armor Modifications feature which allows the arcane armor to hold multiple infusions. However, these infusions have no bearing on the arcane armor's ability to be used as a spellcasting focus when worn.

Related: Can an Armorer Artificer wearing Guardian-model Arcane Armor cast a somatic spell without holding tools or having the Warcaster feat?


The cleric has a similar, though rarely used, ability.

It's interesting to note that, if a cleric's holy symbol is emblazoned on their armor, they too can use their worn armor as a spellcasting focus.

This almost never comes up, though, because most clerics use a shield with their holy symbol on it as their focus instead.

Related: Do you need a free hand for your holy symbol if you're wearing it visibly?


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  • \$\begingroup\$ First of all, nice answer. But what about the Arcane Propulsion Armor? As long as you don't hold anything, your hands count as magical weapons. I know it's nitpicky because everything focusses are about is the free hand. But just technically speaking... \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 2, 2021 at 2:53
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    \$\begingroup\$ The Arcane Propulsion Armor's magic melee weapons are still only a subset of the larger infused suit of armor. As such, the argument above against using worn armor's gauntlets as focuses still applies. In addition, the linked related discussion about arcane armor concludes that its integrated Thunder Gauntlets are not considered "held." The same logic would apply to the Arcane Propulsion Armor's weapons, again making them ineligible to be used as focuses. \$\endgroup\$
    – gto
    Commented May 2, 2021 at 4:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ Okay... tho I'd like to hear that from a SAC article, I guess that's enough for now. You answered my question. \$\endgroup\$ Commented May 2, 2021 at 11:57
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    \$\begingroup\$ Another way to think about it: infusing only a portion of your armor is a subclass feature of the Armorer, as is using your armor as a spellcasting focus. Granting these abilities more broadly to all artificers would weaken the Armorer in comparison. \$\endgroup\$
    – gto
    Commented May 2, 2021 at 16:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ "If you're wearing infused armor, you're not holding it in your hand, so you can't use it as your focus." Sure, you can. You reach over and grab a section of it with one of your hands. \$\endgroup\$
    – nick012000
    Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 8:57
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Not if you're wearing it

When you remove the aside, the "Tools Required" section says the following:

You must have a spellcasting focus in hand when you cast any spell with this Spellcasting feature

Thus, in theory, if you were not wearing an infused suit of armor you could hold it in your hand and use it as a spellcasting focus. If you are wearing the armor, even if it includes gauntlets, then the armor as a whole is not "in hand" and can't be used as a spellcasting focus unless another feature allows it such as Arcane Armor from the Armorer subclass.

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    \$\begingroup\$ What if you just grab it? (I kinda agree with you, but it's not as if 'in hand' is a defined game term..) \$\endgroup\$
    – Jason_c_o
    Commented Apr 25, 2021 at 15:05
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Jason_c_o or you wear a gauntlet. Or infused your armor with Arcane Propulsion Armor and have particularly mentioned infused gauntlets. Or what about an infused ring? IMO the Artificer underlines many loopholes and unclear rule passages that are sadly inherent to the system. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Apr 25, 2021 at 15:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Jason_c_o generally my opinion is "spellcasting focus occupies a hand" and the only exceptions are pretty explicit about it. So... I don't think there's anything particularly wrong balance-wise though I probably wouldn't allow that hand to perform Somatic components as well. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Apr 25, 2021 at 18:09
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I think that you absolutely can use your worn infused items as a spellcasting focus, in the same way clerics can wear their spellcasting focus. But you'd still need a free hand for the somatic components.

Saying you can't use infused scale mail as a spellcasting focus by default is like saying you can't use your armorer scale mail as a spellcasting focus, because neither specify that you can use them without holding them anywhere.

You're never holding 'the entire staff', you're holding the handle (or just a random part of the staff, but that's neither here nor there). With armor that touches your hands, you're holding it enough for it to count. I would even argue that, similar to a wizard wearing a crystal around his neck, you could simply touch or grab it for it to be viably used as a spellcasting focus as long as your hand is free.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Could you cite rules that supports this position better than gto's answer? If it's not said about Artificers specifically, then perhaps the section about Clerics being able to wear their foci, or other examples of similar benefits (preferably closer to artificer than Cleric, since divine casting is notably different in a few ways) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 5:16
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    – V2Blast
    Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 9:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Ifusaso I think the best argument for this position is as follows: we have two different bits of text allowing alternative spellcasting foci for artificers. The first is "After you gain the Infuse Item feature at 2nd level, you can also use any item bearing one of your infusions as a spellcasting focus"; the second is "You can use the arcane armor as a spellcasting focus for your artificer spells". These are worded very similarly. The other answers to this question accept that the latter bypasses the need for a held item, but not the first- and do not particularly justify why. \$\endgroup\$
    – A Simmons
    Commented Jun 21, 2022 at 12:14

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