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The question is motivated by threads Was Nixon's "when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal" technically correct? and Who originated the idea that the purpose of government is to protect its citizens?. I used to think that in modern western democracies individual rights are inviolable, even in the name of national interests (raison d'état), and that the watershed moment for the choice between the supremacy of the two was the Dreyfus affair (although the lack of evidence for his conviction was understood quite early, it was maintained for years in the name of the reasons of state.) However, the accepted answer to the first thread cited above, and the recent supreme court decision gave me some doubts.

In which countries can a government/president violate individual rights (e.g., imprison or execute an innocent person) in the interests of state/nation? Are there any states, where a possibility or illegality of such an action is explicitly inscribed in the law/constitution? I mean mostly western states, but other examples are welcome, if not too trivial (ok, dictatorships, and communist/fascist regimes routinely violate individual rights.)

Related: Anwar al-Awlaki, Killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

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  • When you say "violate individual rights", do you solely mean life and liberty, as in your example, or do you mean any fundamental right?
    – Cadence
    Commented Jul 2 at 9:50
  • @Cadence good point. I suggest limiting it to life and liberty or other cases where the violation can be easily proven/evident. Also, what rights are included in fundamental rights varies from place to place
    – Morisco
    Commented Jul 2 at 10:21
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    If internment counts as "violating individual rights", then the list could be quite long, and would include the US and UK, among many others. Commented Jul 2 at 10:53
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    TBH the Trump example and the other ones aren't that closely related. SCOTUS didn't decide that Trump can kill whomever he wants in office. And getting killed in a warzone basically (al-Awlakis), is not that uncommon, nor generally illegal for some classes. You may quibble around the def of 'enemy combatant' etc. Commented Jul 2 at 13:13
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    I don't think I can make a single-character change, so can the next person to edit this change the word in the title to supersede? Fun fact: "supersede" is the only word in the English language that ends in -sede. There are three common ones that end in -ceed: exceed, proceed, succeed. All others end in -cede. Thus endeth the English lesson for the day.
    – shoover
    Commented Jul 2 at 15:17

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In which countries can a government/president violate individual rights (e.g., imprison or execute an innocent person) in the interests of state/nation? Are there any states, where a possibility or illegality of such an action is explicitly inscribed in the law/constitution?

This is an unhelpful way to frame the question.

In U.S. law, for example, almost no individual rights are absolute.

Your right to free exercise of religion ends when you decide you want to involuntarily use him as a human sacrifice in your religious ritual. Your right to free speech doesn't allow you to defraud someone in the sale of a home. Your right to not be executed without due process doesn't extend to military force authorized by Congress and conducted pursuant the rules of engagement set by the chain of authority from the President on down (this is the Anwar al-Awlaki, case). Your right not to be deprived of property without just compensation doesn't extend to things that you aren't allowed to own like slaves or cocaine or nuclear warheads, and doesn't mean that you have a right to be free of taxes on your property. Your right to vote is conditioned on you bothering to show up to the polls or cast a mail-in ballot by election day. Your right to liberty (if you don't violate the law) is subordinate to the government's right to quarantine you to prevent the spread of a deadly disease.

Sometimes the government does things that it isn't supposed to do, because life isn't perfect.

A police officer executes a no knock warrant at the wrong address, which the executing officer may have had no way to know was wrong, and it causes harm or death. You are arrested and detained prior to trial because there is evidence pointing to your guilt of a crime, but you didn't actually do it. The guy driving a postal van didn't get any sleep the night before because his baby was crying all night, doesn't pay attention, and crashes into a pedestrian causing serious harm. A cop loses his temper and beats the shit out of you because you insulted him even though it was illegal to do so.

The law in those cases decides what remedy, if any, you are entitled to when the government screws up.

If you are innocent but prosecuted in good faith based upon plausible evidence, you don't get anything and have to suffer for the good of society. If the postal van crash broke your legal, you are entitled to money damages from the government and the driver. If the cop loses his temper and unlawfully beats you up, you are entitled to compensatory economic damages like medical costs and lost wages, non-economic damages for pain and suffering, punitive damages, interest, court costs, and attorney fees, but you don't have a right to have the bad cop removed from the police force.

Immunity from liability mostly fits in the category of finding an appropriate remedy even if it sometimes means there is no remedy.

Someone has done something wrong, but for public policy reasons, punishing the person who did it is not the remedy that is available. Presidential immunity is a hard pill to swallow, but it makes lots of sense in the case of judicial immunity. If a judge screws up, you can appeal the judge's decision but you can't sue the judge, because the job is challenging enough that all judges make mistakes sometimes and you couldn't find someone willing to serve if they could be sued every time they got a legal issue wrong.

There are diehards, like the late Justice Scalia, who took the position that even if you could unequivocally prove that you were innocent after key deadlines had passed, that if you were sentenced to death in a case where all your legal rights were respected, that you should be executed. Most judges and legal scholars don't agree, but it is a position taken by someone who had a say in thousands of legal decisions that are the absolute law of the land in the U.S. and many judges do agree with him.

Some countries, like Canada, allow parliament to specifically say that they are going to intentionally violate most of your individual rights (there are some exceptions and conditions) notwithstanding the fact that they are protected by its Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so long as parliament is willing to admit that this is what it is doing.

In sum, it is perfectly normal for some individual rights to yield to greater concerns, or to make it illegal for government to do something but to limit what remedies you have if it does. Some countries go further even than that.

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    Your right to free exercise of religion ends when you decide you want to involuntarily use him as a human sacrifice in your religious ritual. To be pedantic, I am quite sure that it would also end if the human sacrifice were voluntary.
    – SJuan76
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    @SJuan76 Of course. There are myriad possible examples, I chose the more likely one of those two.
    – ohwilleke
    Commented 2 days ago
  • While I agree with this in principle, I can also see the viewpoint that land taxes mean that ownership of land, as such, doesn't exist in the US and one can only enter into a perpetual lease of land from counties (in which counties cannot revoke most terms of the lease, but can increase the rent).
    – wrod
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    @wrod No country in the world has every interpreted an individual's right to own property in that manner.
    – ohwilleke
    Commented 2 days ago
  • @ohwilleke Interesting, but IMHO lacks specific examples. Could a Dreyfus-like situation be possible in the US: when a person is kept imprisoned, because admitting the miscarriage of justice could compromise the US security? Or if we take 'Israel hostage dilemma' - would US release dangerous terrorists in order to release its citizens from captivity?
    – Morisco
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There are political philosophies which hold that every single human right is sacred, and that a government may not violate them for any reason. And then there are political philosophies which hold that in practice, rights can come into conflict with each other, and that governments (and others) must balance them.

If the latter premise is accepted, there is the question of balancing rules -- it is 'the greatest good for the greatest number,' or a bias towards inaction if any action would harm somebody, or some ranking of rights against each other (person A's right to live vs. person B's right to property, for instance).

That debate is not resolved. See

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  • Coventry and ULTRA may not be the best example, as the location of the bombing raid in question was not known in advance. Commented Jul 2 at 15:08
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    @SteveMelnikoff, Ultra without Coventry might make the point, but the other three bullet points are probably enough.
    – o.m.
    Commented Jul 2 at 16:01
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    re: "There are political philosophies which hold that every single human right is sacred" Philosophies, in themselves, do not amount to actions. They can, of course, inform actions, but even inaction, in the face of one's philosophy not comporting with the events, results in one affecting outcomes contrary to one's philosophy. There is also, of course, the philosophy that actions speak louder than words.
    – wrod
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Everywhere and nowhere.

There are always rules. If there are no rules, there is no state. Mortal cases are normally handed quite carefully, but there are always excuses.

In this case, the excuse was, that a rocket attack counted as a military operation against an enemy combatant, and not as an execution of the political opponent with his family together.

Other times, there are other excuses. Euthanasia, guys are conspiring against the democracy of the people, society must be cleaned up...

Beside this, the state is by definition of the monopoly of the physical power over a given area. It is also the highest source of law. A state can do it, and they do.

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