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Calculus of variations -- how does it make sense to vary the position and the velocity independently?
In the calculus of variations, particularly Lagrangian mechanics, people often say we vary the position and the velocity independently. But velocity is the derivative of position, so how can you treat ...
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How do I show that there exists variational/action principle for a given classical system?
We see variational principles coming into play in different places such as Classical Mechanics (Hamilton's principle which gives rise to the Euler-Lagrange equations), Optics (in the form of Fermat's ...
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Is there a proof from the first principle that the Lagrangian $L = T - V$?
Is there a proof from the first principle that for the Lagrangian $L$,
$$L = T\text{(kinetic energy)} - V\text{(potential energy)}$$
in classical mechanics? Assume that Cartesian coordinates are used. ...
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Why the Principle of Least Action?
I'll be generous and say it might be reasonable to assume that nature would tend to minimize, or maybe even maximize, the integral over time of $T-V$. Okay, fine. You write down the action ...
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How do non-conservative forces affect Lagrange equations?
If we have a system and we know all the degrees of freedom, we can find the Lagrangian of the dynamical system. What happens if we apply some non-conservative forces in the system? I mean how to deal ...
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Example in motivation for Lagrangian formalism
I started reading Quantum Field Theory for the Gifted Amateur by Lancaster & Blundell, and I have a conceptual question regarding their motivation of the Lagrangian formalism. They start by ...
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Is the principle of least action a boundary value or initial condition problem?
Here is a question that's been bothering me since I was a sophomore in university, and should have probably asked before graduating:
In analytic (Lagrangian) mechanics, the derivation of the Euler-...
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Confusion regarding the principle of least action in Landau & Lifshitz "The Classical Theory of Fields"
Edit: The previous title didn't really ask the same thing as the question (sorry about that), so I've changed it. To clarify, I understand that the action isn't always a minimum. My questions are in ...
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Hamilton's principle with nonholonomic constraints in Goldstein
I am studying from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics, 3rd intl' edition, 2013. In section 2.4, he discussed Hamilton's principle with nonholonomic constraints. The constraints can be written in the form ...
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What variables does the action $S$ depend on?
Action is defined as,
$$S ~=~ \int L(q, q', t) dt,$$
but my question is what variables does $S$ depend on?
Is $S = S(q, t)$ or $S = S(q, q', t)$ where $q' := \frac{dq}{dt}$?
In Wikipedia I've ...
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Lagrangian Mechanics - Commutativity Rule $\frac{d}{dt}\delta q=\delta \frac{dq}{dt} $
I am reading about Lagrangian mechanics.
At some point the difference between the temporal derivative of a variation and variation of the temporal derivative is discussed.
The fact that the two are ...
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Why can't any term which is added to the Lagrangian be written as a total derivative (or divergence)?
All right, I know there must be an elementary proof of this, but I am not sure why I never came across it before.
Adding a total time derivative to the Lagrangian (or a 4D divergence of some 4 ...
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Proof that total derivative is the only function that can be added to Lagrangian without changing the EOM
So I was reading this: Invariance of Lagrange on addition of total time derivative of a function of coordiantes and time and while the answers for the first question are good, nobody gave much ...
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When/why does the principle of least action plus boundary conditions not uniquely specify a path?
A few months ago I was telling high school students about Fermat's principle.
You can use it to show that light reflects off a surface at equal angles. To set it up, you put in boundary conditions, ...
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Principle of Least Action [duplicate]
Is the principle of least action actually a principle of least action or just one of stationary action? I think I read in Landau/Lifschitz that there are some examples where the action of an actual ...
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