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Holonomic constraints as a limit of the motion under potential

In Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics, Arnold states the following theorem without proof in pages 75-76: Let $\gamma$ be a smooth plane curve, and let $q_1, q_2$ be local coordinates where $...
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What is the most general transformation between Lagrangians which give the same equation of motion?

This question is made up from 5 (including the main titular question) very closely related questions, so I didn't bother to ask them as different/followup questions one after another. On trying to ...
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Gauge Symmetry of the Lagrangian

My teacher told the following statement to me during office hours. Is it correct and if so, how could one go about proving it? Given a material system subject to holonomic and smooth constraints ...
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Anticommutation of variation $\delta$ and differential $d$

In Quantum Fields and Strings: A Course for Mathematicians, it is said that variation $\delta$ and differential $d$ anticommute (this is only classical mechanics), which is very strange to me. This is ...
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Why is the Legendre transformation the correct way to change variables from $(q,\dot{q},t)\to (q,p,t)$?

I always found Legendre transformation kind of mysterious. Given a Lagrangian $L(q,\dot{q},t)$, we can define a new function, the Hamiltonian, $$H(q,p,t)=p\dot{q}(p)-L(q,\dot{q}(q,p,t),t)$$ where $p=\...
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Invertibility of the Legendre Transformation

The above image shows the Legendre Transformation in the context of an introduction to the Hamiltonian formalism. My question is in 4.6, wherein $u(x, y)$ has been defined; what is the guarantee ...
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Arnold's holonomic constraints being limits of potential energy

The following quote comes from Arnold's "Mathematical methods in mechanics" book: "We consider potential energy $U_N = Nq_2^2 + U_0(q_1, q_2) $, depending on parameter $N$ (which we ...
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Meaning and Origin of an Expression which Involves Virtual Displacement

As an additional point of confusion related to the answer given here: Confusion with Virtual Displacement I have encountered the following expression in my study of virtual displacements. $$\delta{...
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Confusion with Virtual Displacement

I have just been introduced to the notion of virtual displacement and I am quite confused. My professor simply defined a virtual displacement as an infinitesimal displacement that occurs ...
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Is the phase space a linear vector space?

Is the phase space in classical mechanics a linear vector space (LVS)? If yes,, can we define operators, inner products in this space? Edit: I have seen Liouville operator $\mathcal{L}$ in Classical ...
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Is there any general theorem which specifies conditions where the critical solution of an action is unique (for given boundary conditions)? [duplicate]

Consider a classical mechanical system with generalized coordinates $q_i$, $i \in \{1,\dots\,n\}$. And Lagrangian $L$. Given a path $\gamma$ (with coordinates $\gamma_i$) and two times $t_1$ and $t_2$ ...
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Action for solution of general nth order differential equation [duplicate]

Suppose I want to find solution to a general nth order differential equation. (If I am right about the logic then) one might say that the solution $y\equiv y(x)$ is that function for which the ...
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Is the Legendre transformation a unique choice in analytical mechanics?

Consider a Lagrangian $L(q_i, \dot{q_i}, t) = T - V$, for kinetic energy $T$ and generalized potential $V$, on a set of $n$ independent generalized coordinates $\{q_i\}$. Assuming the system is ...
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Constructing Lagrangian from the Hamiltonian

Given the Lagrangian $L$ for a system, we can construct the Hamiltonian $H$ using the definition $H=\sum\limits_{i}p_i\dot{q}_i-L$ where $p_i=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}_i}$. Therefore, to ...
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How does one express a Lagrangian and Action in the language of forms?

In Lipschitzs Classical Mechanics a Lagrangian is defined as: $L(q,q',t)$ for some trajectory $q(t)$ of a particle And the action is defined as: $S:=\int^a_b L(q,q',t) dt$ How does one express ...
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Rigorous version of field Lagrangian

In Classical Mechanics the configuration of a system can be characterized by some point $s\in \mathbb{R}^n$ for some $n$. In particular, if it's a system of $k$ particles then $n = 3k$ and if there ...
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Action principles and covariant equations [duplicate]

Can every physically sound differential equation, that is covariant, deterministic etc. be derived by extremising a suitable action using a suitable lagrangian, that may be arbitary. Is this a ...
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Does the variation of the Lagrangian satisfy the product rule and chain rule of the derivative?

I have seen wikipedia use the product rule and maybe the chain rule for the variation of the Langragin as follows: \begin{align} \dfrac{\delta [f(g(x,\dot{x}))h(x,\dot{x})] } {\delta x} = \left( \...
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Proof that total derivative is the only function that can be added to Lagrangian without changing the EOM

So I was reading this: Invariance of Lagrange on addition of total time derivative of a function of coordiantes and time and while the answers for the first question are good, nobody gave much ...
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Lagrangian formalism and Contact Bundles

In his Applied Differential Geometry book, William Burke says the following after telling that the action should be the integral of a function $L$: A line integral makes geometric sense only if it'...
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What's the physical intuition for symplectic structures?

I always thought about symplectic forms as elements of areas in little subspaces because of the Darboux theorem, however I cannot get the physical intuition for it and for the hamiltonian vector field....
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Virtual displacement and generalized coordinates

I have a doubt regarding the expression of a virtual displacement using generalized coordinates. I will state the definitions I'm taking and the problem. The system is composed by $n$ points with ...
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Higher order covariant Lagrangian

I'm in search of examples of Lagrangian, which are at least second order in the derivatives and are covariant, preferable for field theories. Up to now I could only find first-order (such at Klein-...
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Why can't any term which is added to the Lagrangian be written as a total derivative (or divergence)?

All right, I know there must be an elementary proof of this, but I am not sure why I never came across it before. Adding a total time derivative to the Lagrangian (or a 4D divergence of some 4 ...
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Classical mechanics without coordinates book

I am a graduate student in mathematics who would like to learn some classical mechanics. However, there is one caveat: I am not interested in the standard coordinate approach. I can't help but think ...