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I came up with the operator identity in my QM textbook

$$ [X,F(P)]=[X,P]F'(P) $$

where $X,P$ are Hermitian operators whose commutator commutes with them: $$[X,[X,P]]=[P,[X,P]]=0.$$ $F(x)$ is some well-behaved function.

In the book, the identity is proved by verifying $$[X,P^n]=[X,P]nP^{n-1}$$ by induction and then expanding $F(x)$ into power series. However, the identity still works under conditions where this is quite impossible. For example, $$ [X,P^{-2}]=-2[X,P]P^{-3}\\ [X,\sqrt P]=\frac12[X,P]P^{-1/2} $$

is also true at least in some cases. (the second identity requires $P$ to be positive) As for the position and momentum case, it is beyond doubt because in the $p$-representation $X$ is $i\hbar\dfrac{d}{dp}$ and the identities are obvious. But difficulties occur when the commutator is not a constant.

Question Can we prove the identity is indeed true in such cases, or are they actually not true and there are some more restrictions on the function $F(x)$?

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  • $\begingroup$ If the commutator of X with P is not a constant, the identity fails. Try a simple example. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 12:04
  • $\begingroup$ @CosmasZachos Could you please provide an example? I think the argument for usual functions is sufficient. $\endgroup$
    – Po1ynomial
    Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 13:03
  • $\begingroup$ Why would you even expect this to hold in cases where the commutator is not constant? Why would you call the operators $X$ and $P$ if their commutation relations are not the canonical ones? $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 13:29

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As it finally emerges from your graduated comments, you certainly ought to have indicated that your Hilbert space goes beyond the image of all functions of X and P! In the language of the field, this center Y is a "constant", to the extent X and P commutations don't affect it. You need not fuss with weird operators: Indeed, the identity holds for the simplest Heisenberg group, trivially. But, in physics, a "constant" is an element of the center of the Lie algebra!

In any case, your operators $$ X=e^{-i\phi} (-\partial_\theta + i \cot \theta ~ \partial_\phi), \qquad P=\cos\theta ,\\ \leadsto ~~~~ [X,P]\equiv Y =e^{-\phi} \sin\theta , \leadsto [Y,X]=[Y,P]=0, $$ do satisfy the identity, for F Laurent-expandible, avoiding the singularities inherent in the weird operators you chose (take θ small avoiding 0). Many operator identities of this form parallel similar Sylvester's formula identities for matrices.

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    $\begingroup$ It's stated that $X$ and $P$ commute with their commutator $[X,P]$, while your example certainly violates the condition since $[P,[X,P]]=[P,X]=-X\ne0$. $\endgroup$
    – Po1ynomial
    Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 14:53
  • $\begingroup$ But, if they both commuted with their commutator, the commutator would be a constant, wouldn't it? That's what a constant is. Isn't this your question? $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 14:56
  • $\begingroup$ Whether your statement is true, it does not seem obvious to me. Could you provide a precise proof? $\endgroup$
    – Po1ynomial
    Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 15:24
  • $\begingroup$ You might rewrite your question then, to be asking about just this. Informally, an operator commuting with all noncommuting operators on the conventional Hilbert space is a constant times the identity. There is no other center. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 15:56
  • $\begingroup$ Are you working in the 3x3 matrix realization of the Heisenberg group? What "difficulties" are you encountering? $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 24, 2022 at 16:00

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