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I know that there are many posts about virtual displacement, but I want to answer the question if of: is virtual displacement is always needed to get the same results? I am going through a PDF by Subhankar Ray & J. Shamanna on virtual work Here. So the main idea is how far we can get using allowed displacement opposed to virtual displacement:

If the constraints are not time dependent, then we have the similar property

\begin{equation}\tag{a} \sum^N_{k=1}(m_k\textbf{a}_k - \textbf{F}_k)\cdot d\textbf{r}_k = 0 \end{equation} 2.Using Generalized Coordinates

We then read on and we note that because of the constraints, not all the $d\textbf{r}_k$ are independent of eachother and so we then want to change it to independent parameters to remove this issue.
So to change the parameters we use \begin{equation} d\textbf{r}_k = \sum^N_{k=1}\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_k}{\partial q_j}dq_j +\frac{\partial\textbf{r}_k}{\partial t}dt \end{equation} opposed to \begin{equation}\tag{23} \delta\textbf{r}_k = \sum^N_{k=1}\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_k}{\partial q_j}\delta q_j \end{equation}

thus we will get for $({a})$,

\begin{equation}\tag{b} \sum^N_{k=1}(m_k\textbf{a}_k - \textbf{F}_k)\cdot \left(\sum^N_{k=1}\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_k}{\partial q_j}dq_j +\frac{\partial\textbf{r}_k}{\partial t}dt\right) = 0 \end{equation}

My Question

From above, $(b)$, I am having a hard time picturing this. I feel like the "$\frac{\partial\textbf{r}_k}{\partial t}dt$" part may cause issues(just like when the constraint equation was time dependent and $d\textbf{r}_k$ was no longer tangential to the constraint equation)-or am I worrying about nothing. I would be grateful for any insight you can offer.

Edit Like I feel like that \begin{equation}\tag{b} \sum^N_{k=1}(m_k\textbf{a}_k - \textbf{F}_k)\cdot \left(\sum^N_{k=1}\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_k}{\partial q_j}dq_j \right) = 0 \end{equation}

should hold as we are moving the object with the idea that time is frozen.

Is there any sense to this line of reasoning?

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    $\begingroup$ Permalink: arxiv.org/abs/physics/0410123 $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented Dec 22, 2022 at 9:40
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    $\begingroup$ Possible duplicates: physics.stackexchange.com/q/81742/2451 and physics.stackexchange.com/q/520835/2451 $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented Dec 22, 2022 at 9:50
  • $\begingroup$ @Qmechanic, thank you for your reply. I read over the 2 posts and I think there is one main difference between my post and those, that is the constraints I am looking at are those that are not time depenedent, but the ones in the post include time dependency. I believe that we can use $d\textbf{r}$ instead of $\delta \textbf{r}$ if the constraints are not time depenedent- if what I say is correct, we may have an issue at arriving at the lagrange equation as we can't remove the $+ \frac{\partial\textbf{r}}{\partial t}dt$ $\endgroup$
    – Reuben
    Commented Dec 23, 2022 at 12:58

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