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As the title states, I am wondering if there exists a clear and concrete proof that proves that the earth is revolving around the sun on an orbit, and proves that the sun is not revolving around the earth.

I've heard of the Foucault pendulum, but that doesn't prove that the sun isn't revolving around the earth. And stellar parallax, I was able to find a lot of material explaining about what it is and why it works, and all the theory behind it is explained in detail on several articles and videos, but I couldn't find any solid experiments or evidences to prove it in any of them.

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    $\begingroup$ Please clarify your specific problem or provide additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it's hard to tell exactly what you're asking. $\endgroup$
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    $\begingroup$ related/possible duplicate: physics.stackexchange.com/q/66476/226902 . Focalult pendulum: physics.stackexchange.com/q/194922/226902 $\endgroup$
    – Quillo
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  • $\begingroup$ Stellar parallax has been thoroughly confirmed by astronomers, but the effect is too small to observe it with binoculars. It also takes 6 months to measure it. Only in the early 1800s did telescopes become good enough. For some idea of the size of the problem, see cloudynights.com/topic/… $\endgroup$
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  • $\begingroup$ Possible duplicates: physics.stackexchange.com/q/66476/2451 , physics.stackexchange.com/q/66234/2451 , physics.stackexchange.com/q/10933/2451 and links therein. $\endgroup$
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See this question on quora.com

How do I prove that the Earth rotates once on its axis in 24 hours?

and the answer given there

Err...

Well if you look up, then those fixed things in the sky are are going round us.

Which is like a pretty huge clue.

So either
a) the Earth is spinning once every 24hrs, or
b) EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE is glued to a big ball and is rotating around the Earth.

The first theory works. You can check it with pendulums etc.
The second is nuts.

So, theory (a) seems to be simpler than (b). And furthermore, (a) makes some testable predictions:

  • Due to the Coriolis force by the rotation a Foucault pendulum will slowly rotate with $360° \sin\phi/$day (with $\phi$ being the geographical latitude).
  • Due to the centrifugal force by the rotation the body of the earth will be slightly oblate (i.e. the radius larger at the equator, and smaller at the poles).
    Due to the same effect the gravity of the earth will increase slightly with geographical latitude (i.e. smaller at the equator, and larger at the poles).

All these effects have indeed been experimentally confirmed. Theory (b) has no explanation for these effects.


And now for your second question:
How to prove that the sun isn't revolving around the earth.

Let's consider the observed movement of the planets relative to the background of the stars. In the course of the year the planets move in a somewhat erratic way. As an example, here are the trajectories of Mars (the bright orange dots) and Uranus (the faints dots above Mars) in 2003.

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(image from Online Astronomy eText: The Sky / Orbital Motions / Retrograde Motion)

Most of the time the outer planets (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, ...) move from west to east. But for a few months they move "backwards" (from east to west).

In principle there are different models to explain this:

  1. Geocentric model of Ptolemy:
    The earth stands still.
    The sun moves around the earth in a nearly circular orbit.
    The planets move around the earth in a complicated way.
  2. Heliocentric model of Copernicus:
    The sun stands still.
    The earth and the planets move around the sun in nearly circular orbits

The model (2) is much simpler than model (1), because it explains the motion of the planets with less complicated assumptions. Therefore model (2) is preferred.

Furthermore, both models make some more predictions which can be tested with experiments. The heliocentric model predicts:

  • Due to the position of the earth varying in the course of the year the positions of nearby foreground stars will vary slightly relative to the background stars further away. See stellar parallax. This indeed had been measured experimentally.
    parallax
    (image from Humble 1st attempt for stellar parallax)
  • Due to the velocity vector of the earth varying in the course of the year the spectra of stars will be slightly Doppler-shifted in a yearly rhythm. This also had been measured expeimentally.

On the other hand, the geocentric model predicts the parallaxes and Doppler-shifts of the stars not to vary in a yearly rhythm, because of the earth standing still. This contradict with the experimental facts, and hence this model is disproved.

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  • $\begingroup$ Good answer , why it got downvoted o_o $\endgroup$ Commented May 27, 2022 at 9:00
  • $\begingroup$ Makes sense why someone would prefer the heliocentric model, because it seems simpler. But that wasn't my question, I am asking for clear and concrete evidence that directly and clearly shows that the sun is not revolving around the but rather the earth is. I believe I clearly stated this in my question $\endgroup$
    – an4s911
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    $\begingroup$ @an4s911 To focus for example on the "we're spinning or everything else is" part, do you have "clear and concrete evidence" that in your childhood you grew and the rest of the world didn't shrink? $\endgroup$
    – J.G.
    Commented May 28, 2022 at 12:10
  • $\begingroup$ @an4s911 I have added some experimental facts confirming the heliocentric model, and disproving the geocentric model.. $\endgroup$ Commented May 28, 2022 at 14:46
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Kepler's laws of planetary motion are observational laws that are most simply explained by a heliocentric model of the solar system in which the orbits of the planets are governed by Newton's law of universal gravitation (with some tweaks from general relativity to account for the exact precession of Mercury's orbit).

It is possible that this is all an illusion created by a malicious deity, that the sun and the rest of the universe actually revolves around the Earth once a year, that our understanding of gravity is incorrect, and that Kepler's laws only hold by coincidence. It is also possible that none of this really exists at all, it is all just coloured lights in the sky, the moon landings were a hoax etc. etc. But Occam's razor tells us that such complex and baroque explanations are very unlikely.

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  • $\begingroup$ Nice answer, I would also add that the Occam's razor is not the only thing: by adopting the "baroque" explanation you have to add new elements and "bend" the old ones every time you observe something new. Therefore, the "baroque" explanation is not only disfavored on the ground of "simplicity" and "economy", but also from the "practical" point of view. $\endgroup$
    – Quillo
    Commented May 27, 2022 at 8:31

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