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I don't have any background of loans and finance since I am an Engineer, but I have been planning to own a property lately. What I understood from my research is that there are two options to get a new property, if you don't have enough money in your account to actually buy it from the developer/owner. First is getting a loan from the bank by pledging any of my other existing property on the line as a collateral, and then making monthly payments to the bank (including the interest). Second option is to go for mortgage, where the bank will actually buy the property from the developer/owner and then sell it to you (ofcourse at a higher price). Here, I would own the new property under the clause that if I don't submit the due payments on time, then bank has the right to confiscate the property. However, for the latter case, I don't need any collateral at all and can still own a new property by just paying monthly installments.

But if this is possible, then why don't we see everyone doing it? I mean just go for mortgage, rent out the property and do the monthly payments to the bank, and you might still find yourself saving some money at the end of the month. As soon as get done with the complete payments to the bank, I can have a property written to my name where I haven't actually paid a single penny to own it.

But ofcourse, I don't think it would be that easy. So can anyone make comparison between the pros and cons of both, collateral and mortgage?

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  • "But if this is possible, then why don't we see everyone doing it?" By "doing it", do you mean using the new property as collateral instead of using a different property as collateral, or do you mean managing a mortgaged rental property instead of not managing a rental?
    – glibdud
    Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 18:35
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    I've never heard of your second option where the bank buys the property.
    – JohnFx
    Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 21:02
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    @JohnFx, I am from a Muslim majority country and it happens in some banks in my country where the bank actually buys the property and sells it to you at a higher price than what it had bought, in order to eliminate the concept of interest (which is not allowed in Islam). So you can just pay them monthly, until all the installments are settled out. Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 21:18
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    If "everyone" was doing this, then either (a) they pay as much renting a place to live as they do from renting out their own place, so there's no net income from the latter (plus taxes and costs make it a net loss); or (b) "everyone" rents somewhere cheaper for themselves, which would require an infinite number of progressively cheaper houses - it's an unworkable pyramid scheme. (This is also ignoring all the more relevant real-world issues around access to mortgages.) Commented Nov 30, 2021 at 11:20
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    Everyone does -- When you buy a house to live in, you can describe that as renting it from yourself. (But don't; that would be more complicated and might incur tax and zoning issues.)
    – keshlam
    Commented Jan 26, 2023 at 2:05

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What stops people from doing this? At least one of:

  • the person doesn't have the 10% (or better 25%) downpayment - banks don't lend 100% of the price, and of course there are costs associated with buying a house too (cleaning, painting, fixing problems you find after closing etc.)
  • the person doesn't have the income to qualify for the mortgage. Sure, you intend to rent it, but banks don't lend money on intent.
  • the person doesn't know how to find renters, screen renters so they end up only with good ones, pester renters who are late with rent, fix damage some renters cause (or just wear and tear) quickly between renters, clear out stuff people leave behind when they skip out after missing a few months of paying, and so on.
  • the person knows how to do all that, but doesn't want to do that work for that money in return.
  • the person is worried about the months with no rent (for whatever reason) and how they might end up having to cover the mortgage from their other income at times.
  • the person is concerned they might overpay for the property or buy in the "wrong" area and not see an overall growth in the value of the property by the time they want to sell it.

I know people who've bought second places, rented them out, covered the mortgage and then some, not minded the work (one for example rented to his sister at slightly less than she would have paid on the open market and both were happy with that deal; another was a handy guy who liked to fix things married to a handy lady who liked to re-upholster furniture and run garage sales), and ended up selling the property for a profit. They're happy. Doesn't mean you would be if you did the same, and most certainly doesn't mean everyone should do it.

You're taking a financial risk (the mortgage is still due if you have no tenant, your tenant isn't paying, or you have to spend a lot on a new roof or whatever), you're tying up your capital and your borrowing power, meaning some other opportunities may arise that you won't be able to take, and you're taking on time-bound work that can be both physically and emotionally difficult. None of that is something everyone should do.

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    1. "Banks don't lend money on intent" -- but they do (it's called a business plan) -- this falsely implies that expected rent isn't considered at all. Typically, "borrowers can count 75% of their potential monthly rental income" when qualifying for an investment property mortgage. 2. How about adding to the bulleted list: The rent (especially after subtracting property management expenses) simply may not cover the mortgage payment.
    – nanoman
    Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 21:06
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    if op writes a business plan (and considers all these things) the bank may consider that. The bank is not going to use "I am sure i can get x a month for it" and approve based on that. Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 21:11
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First, your understanding of mortgages is wrong. Banks don’t buy properties and sell them on to their mortgage customers, they lend the customers the money and the customers buy the properties.

Second, you don’t know that the rent you can charge will cover the mortgage and maintenance costs for the next thirty years. And nor does the bank. So a bank won’t lend you 100% of the money to buy a property you intended to rent out — you’ll need to put down a substantial deposit to reduce the risk to the bank. And you may still end up making a loss.

Third, of course, letting a property is work. You need to handle maintenance and repairs, find new tenants from time to time, and so on. You may already have a job and not want another one.

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  • So if the bank is literally providing me with the money in both cases i.e. collateral and mortgage, then why do we even have these two different options? The former requires a property to be plegded but the latter doesn't. From a client's point of view, mortgage ofcourse overshadows the collateral option, but definitely there might be catch. What is this catch? Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 19:29
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    @RameezUlHaq No, in both cases a property is pledged. If you put up a property you already own as collateral, and fail to make the payments, the bank will take that property. That's what collateral means. Why might someone do that? Maybe the bank doesn't agree that the new property is worth the amount being loaned, but thinks your existing property is. Same with taking out a mortgage on the new property: you fail to pay the loan, the bank takes the property. That's why the bank will be very concerned that the property be worth the loan amount. Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 20:31
  • @CharlesE.Grant, but for the collateral, I need to have an existing property but for the mortgage, I don't. I just put the newly bought one on the stake and pledge it out. Still, mortgage appears to be easier to go with since I don't need to already own a property. That is why I was saying there might be a catch with mortgage which is not always visible at first. Commented Nov 28, 2021 at 21:21
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    @RameezUlHaq 'but for the mortgage, I don't. I just put the newly bought one on the stake and pledge it out.' Right, but as Kate explains, the bank is not going to pay the full cost of the new property. You are going to have to put down somewhere between 3% and 15% of the purchase price as a down payment from your own funds. If you default on the loan, you almost certainly won't get any of that back. That's that general scheme in the US at least, I have no knowledge of how it works under any system of Islamic law. Commented Nov 29, 2021 at 1:10
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    @Rameez Ul Haq: At least in the US residential market, it's very rare (AFAIK, anyway) to put up one property as collateral for another. You would instead take out a separate mortgage on the first property (or do a cash-out refinance if you already have a mortgage), then use the cash as a downpayment on the second property. This way the mortgage lender can foreclose on the properties individually, if you fail to make payments.
    – jamesqf
    Commented Nov 29, 2021 at 17:38
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Running a rental property is a business. If you want another set of business obligations and hassles in your life (as discussed in other answers).it can produce income. Whether it would produce more income than investing in the stock market depends on a combination of your skills, your dedication, and luck

Note that another way to invest in real estate is to invest in the companies already buying and managing real estate. A REIT mutual fund gives you diversified participation in that area (reducing the role luck plays) in a simple transaction (reducing the roles of skills and dedication). I have shares in such an index fund as part of the "income" portion of my target investment profile. Like any other investment, including a business (which in turn includes rental), returns vary depending on what else is happening in the economy.

Note also that this is equivalent to "Why doesn't everyone buy a house to live in", if you think of that as renting from yourself. Same issues of being able to afford down payment, being confident that you can meet the mortgage payments plus the upkeep costs/effort plus the taxes plus the insurance plus the repairs, ... Not everyone has the resources to convince a bank that this is a good way to invest the bank's funds. And of course not everyone wants a house, or wants one where they can afford it.

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Everyone does. That's why there was a property bubble in 2021-2022, when the question was asked.

What happens is that people figure out they can make free money if they buy properties, so they buy properties. Every time someone sells a property, whoever pays the most money gets to buy it. When there are more people who want to buy properties, then prices go up as they compete with each other to have the highest price.

The Case-Shiller Home Price Index, which measures house prices in the USA, reached its highest ever value, over 300. The index previously reached 200 around the 2006 housing crisis which caused the financial crisis, and 150 in "more normal" times. And now it is 300. Just in case you didn't catch that the first time I said it.

What happens after a bubble? Reality comes calling. There isn't free money - it always comes from somewhere. Now we are seeing mortgage interest rate increases, and house price decreases. People who have mortgages have to pay more every month, and they can't escape from the mortgages by selling the houses, because the house prices are lower. These are still ongoing, so we don't know what will happen at the end. In fact, you can't sell the house unless you can pay the mortgage back (this may be different in Islamic banking). Rent is still quite high, but rent will probably decrease, as well. And then you'll have this house that you can't sell, where you are paying a lot every month because of the mortgage, and not getting much rent. You might go bankrupt if you can't pay. And you will never get the money back, that the house cost.

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  • Good answer but I suggest adding that existing mortgages go up with rising interest rates only with adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs). ARMs add to the problem for that reason and also because ARMs make speculation easier to enter.
    – Damila
    Commented Jan 26, 2023 at 2:26
  • @Damila ARMs (including short-term-fixed) are the only kind of mortgage in the natural financial market. The 30-year fixed USA mortgage is a severe aberration and market distortion brought about by government fiat. In fact it's the 30-year fixed USA mortgage that need not be discussed because it is the weird case. Commented Jan 27, 2023 at 16:08
  • This is a small part of the bubble. If people can build new homes for $200k, you'll never be able to sell yours for $1M. The gov't has to block new construction with onerous permits and zoning laws to keep prices increasing like they do today
    – Navin
    Commented 16 hours ago

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