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There are many discussions about the current incidence. For example:

Should we have a whole tag for this incidence? In general, if in the future there are more crises and incidences like this, should they have their own tags too? I feel it's fine, as we have specific tags for individual events like . And, should we have a tag?

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Note that these questions are specifically about the conflict 2019, while this question is simply about creating meta tags for significant events.

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    The best and most used tag has been Code of Conduct
    – Mari-Lou A Слава Україні
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 12:04
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    We should name them like hurricanes are named. How about crisis-monica?
    – shiny-metal
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 12:05
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    Perhaps epic-mistakes? Or just company-mistakes.
    – Shadow Wizard
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 12:09
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    @Mari-LouA no that would be "The one with the Monica crisis".
    – Jamiec
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:23
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    @Shadow how about epic-failures?
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:00
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    @Ooker too extreme..
    – Shadow Wizard
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:09
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    Definitely not "crisis-Monica". While she was at the center of this crisis, that was not by her choice. In addition, the issues are far bigger than her - moderation in general, license issues, staff <-> community communication, welcoming, inclusivity, etc. Monica is the most visible single piece of this, but only because she was singled out to be "fired" and not, arguably, that she did anything truly "big" herself. In addition, the lack of inclusion of Monica by name in the official statements so far (AFAIK), would make it extremely inappropriate to tag based on her name.
    – manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:30
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    What about code-of-conduct-crisis?
    – Patrick Hofman
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 15:10
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    Code of Conduct Wars - 2019. It is a time of civil war. The Community Team, striking from their hidden castle, have won their first victory against the moderation team. During the battle, a user stole the mystical Hat of Ages. Now, Princess user32767, custodian of the powerful Hat, must gather and unite the Seven Diamonds of Destiny to restore the Old Be Nice Policy to the Stack Exchange Galaxy.
    – Robert Columbia
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 15:45
  • @manassehkatz unfortunately, using a single person to name is so natural for our minds. Think about Ponzi scheme, Einstein theory, Obama law, etc. Now, I agree with you that Einstein theory should be acknowledged as relativity theory, because (1) Einstein stood on giant shoulders, and (2) that theory is much more developed today than what Einstein did back then, but ultimately people still link it with Einstein. I think if the tag is made (coc-crisis-2019 is a good one), it should have a synonym with monica-crisis
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 16:33
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    crisis-2019 would be good, IMHO. monica-crisis - no. The difference is Ponzi was an actual convicted criminal - the worst that Monica may have done is conduct inappropriate for a volunteer SE moderator - quite a difference.
    – manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 16:37
  • @manassehkatz that is not my point. Einstein and Obama are not convicted criminal, but by your logic the events that they happened to be centers are all wrongly attributed
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 17:49
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    @manassehkatz it's not that I don't understand your point. It's that I base my understanding of psychology and linguistics. It's not even about whether the person is worth memorable, or that they brought good or bad thing to the world, or making her name sticking to an incidence that both she and SE wish it hadn't happened. It's just how our brains work
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 19:00
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    And you're right. But we, fellow volunteers of Monica on stack exchange, don't need to encourage it. If it hits big media (which hopefully won't happen if things continue to improve instead of get worse) and they name the crisis after her then we're stuck with it. But not unless that happens.
    – manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 19:37
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    Please don't use my name in a tag. I'm a victim not the cause and labels have a way of sticking long-term. Also, it's much bigger than me. It's also bigger than the CoC, so it shouldn't be cast as just a CoC issue -- it's a bunch of things, so maybe crisis-2019 is the best option.
    – Monica Cellio
    Commented Nov 12, 2019 at 21:15

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The series of events which culminated in the firing of Monica Cellio is so exceptional in the history of Stack Exchange, it makes sense that a special tag is needed in order to keep track of the ever increasing number of related posts.

At the beginning, the tags: and appeared to be sufficient to cover the task, many users were hopeful that management would open a private conversation with Monica, which would lead to her reinstatement. On October 15th, Shog9♦ reassured the community that a solution was within sight; a new process was being formulated by the team, “that'll give Monica a fair shake” that would finally restore her diamonds. But on October 22, the dismissed moderator refused to enter the new reinstatement process, arguing that “The process starts from a presumption of guilt”.

Seven weeks later, there is no sign of the saga ending, Monica Cellio appears to have initiated legal proceedings against Stack Exchange, and management has refused to respond to her repeated requests for dialogue. The conflict continues.

Hence my suggestion,

Conflict because Meta Stack Exchange has been a battleground; employers and volunteers are in litigation; not all users have seen eye to eye, a significant number of Stack Overflow users have expressed serious reservations about the relicensing and audio/fingerprinting issues. Non-native and native speakers have expressed perplexity and concerns over pronouns such as the singular they. Meanwhile the management continues to observe the fighting behind enemy lines.

Volunteers: LGBTQ+ community and long-standing SE members; disillusioned and frustrated SO users; resigned and reinstated mods; suspended users, and diamond moderators; and last but not least, one defamed person. There has been considerable conflict in the last seven weeks with some valiant attempts at pacification but with little to no success.

Lexico defines conflict as

1.0 A serious disagreement or argument, typically a protracted one.

1.3 A serious incompatibility between two or more opinions, principles, or interests.

The year 2019 is self explanatory but if this conflict should continue into the New Year, the tag can be easily modified to:

I am aware, and sad, that the tag is pessimistic but how do you put a positive spin on what's been happening?

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  • I would suggest going straight for [conflict-20xx], as the C++ standard does. Or maybe [schism-20xx]. What is happening now is really a schism between the community and SE, and even between the community itself, and conflict makes me think of something I can solve with a three-way merge.
    – Frédéric Hamidi
    Commented Nov 13, 2019 at 11:56
  • given that this answer has 14 upvotes, would this be the consensus?
    – Ooker
    Commented Nov 15, 2019 at 9:32
  • @Ooker if you are a visiter of chat, ask some users on the Tavern for their opinion. I think 14 upvotes is a little low, considering we have seen posts with 100+ upvotes. Retagging 270 questions won't be fun either, although it could be done in daily batches of five posts.
    – Mari-Lou A Слава Україні
    Commented Nov 15, 2019 at 9:40
  • @Ooker Any news from the Tavern? P.S. I deleted my older comments because I edited the answer.
    – Mari-Lou A Слава Україні
    Commented Nov 17, 2019 at 11:12
  • I would be wary of assuming there will only be one conflict in 2019
    – bobobobo
    Commented Nov 17, 2019 at 13:20
  • this person says "infinity". People in there don't seem to be interested in this.
    – Ooker
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 6:52
  • @Ooker "infinity" is a good joke, but not a serious recommendation. I think proposing to retag 280 odd questions is a chore that no one feels in the mood to undertake. Pity because "conflict-2019" represents quite well the current atmosphere, "conflict of opinions", "conflict between users" and "conflict between management and users" etc. it's far less traumatic than "chaos" "crisis" or "war".
    – Mari-Lou A Слава Україні
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 12:40
  • Will add this snippet in the answer at some point: …“there is seemingly no end to the amount of conflict that this situation and the events around it has plunged the community into” @Snow
    – Mari-Lou A Слава Україні
    Commented Nov 19, 2019 at 12:27
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I do agree with all the arguments in the other answers, especially the one written by Glorfindel.

One argument given is that the tag should not be time-sensitive. There are some tags that are used for a specific point in time, with little relevance later on. is the most common one. So there is no specific rule against time-sensitive tags and the grouping of posts by a period of time.

I want to point out one counter-argument for creating that specific tag, and that is the significance of the event (just like the ).

I would love to see a tag (with an appropriate name), that just lists all posts related to the current event. Of course, you can use all sorts of filters to find these posts, but a single tag would benefit greatly in finding these posts.

Yes, you could consider it a meta-tag, but still, it is important meta.

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  • do you mean you disagree with the answers?
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:01
  • I mean they have good arguments. I do not entirely disagree with those, but IMHO the significance of the event might justify a little easy on such rules.
    – Patrick Hofman
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:02
  • what do you think about the crisis tag, as an equivalent with winter-bash?
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 16:35
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From the Help Center:

What are tags, and how should I use them?

A tag is a word or phrase that describes the topic of the question. Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories.

  1. I would argue that the topic of those questions is the and the way one of the has been treated by Stack Exchange. Most (all?) questions have either or both of those tags; if they don't, please add them where appropriate. 'Crisis' is not really the topic of those questions.
  2. You can't really be an expert in Stack Exchange crises without having a broad knowledge about the various topics here that would lead to said crises.
  3. Filtering on questions about the current event is already possible: just search for the name of the moderator, or and limit the creation date. An example query would be [code-of-conduct] or [moderation] is:q created:2019-09-27...

So I don't think we need a tag for the current crisis, nor do we need a general 'crisis' tag; the latter would be a prime example of a meta-tag:

meta tags, tags that cannot stand alone as the only tag on a question, are not allowed.

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    Having a lot of experience with a certain topic does not automatically mean you're an expert :)
    – Glorfindel Mod
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 12:33
  • So what makes you an expert when if it's not experience? :-\
    – shiny-metal
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:27
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    So if I understand your answer correctly, point 2 is just for the "crisis" tag. Point 1 and 3 are about the "crisis-monica" tag, and kinda reasonable, but they don't explain why winter-bash-2018 should exist when there are winter-bash, or tags about moderator election or community-ad. All of them have year-specific tags beside the general ones
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:38
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    winter-bash-2018 isn't really necessary, I agree. Elections and community ads don't have year-specific tags AFAIK.
    – Glorfindel Mod
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:41
  • Those are from Academia, not Meta I admit. Also, we can argue that "windows-7" is unnecessary in Super User as well.
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:58
  • You may want to move the search query link to the top of your answer, since it most directly resolves the main issue.
    – Stevoisiak
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 14:16
  • That idea has some merit, but right now the order matches the quote from the Help Center.
    – Glorfindel Mod
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 17:46
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I propose , or perhaps .

This phrase "crises with the community" was used in this answer by employee Yaakov Ellis on 2020-02-18.

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Should we have a whole tag for this incidence?

Nope. Tags are for long lasting "things". This incident will eventually blow over one way or another.

And, should we have a crisis tag?

Nope. The main topics of the posts can be covered using existing tags: , , , , and .

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    winter-bash-2017 is not a lasting thing
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:39
  • @Ooker winter bashes get broken down into years because each year is something different I believe.
    – Script47
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:43
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    then by the same logic "crisis-monica" is also different to "crisis-bob" as well
    – Ooker
    Commented Oct 7, 2019 at 13:59

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