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Is this a valid "easy" proof that two free groups are isomorphic if and only if their rank is the same?

I have read on different sources that it is not possible to give a simple proof that "two free groups are isomorphic if and only if they have the same rank" using only what "a student ...
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Normal subgroup of fundamental group of Klein Bottle

Let $K$ the Klein Bottle and $\pi_1(K) = \langle a,b \mid b a b a^{-1} \rangle $ be the fundamental group of the Klein bottle. Observe that $\langle b \rangle $ is a normal subgroup of $\pi_1(K)$, ...
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$F_X \cong F_Y \Rightarrow |X| = |Y|$ where is the mistake in this proof

Statement. Let $F_X, F_Y$ free groups over $X,Y$ respectively. Suppose there is an isomorphism $\phi: F_X \cong F_Y$. Then $|X|= |Y|$. My proof. Let $x \in F_X$ be a word of length one, this is, $x = ...
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Showing $F_X \cong F_Y\implies |X| = |Y|$ [duplicate]

Lately I've been studying free groups, I'm a layman on the subject but I came across a step in the demonstration that I couldn't move forward. I know the question seems to be good but: If $F_X \cong ...
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Isomorphism of quotient groups: if $G_1 \cong G_2$, then $G_1/K_1 \cong G_2/K_2$?

Well, I have a little doubt. If $G_1$ and $G_2$ are free groups in $H_1$ and $H_2$ respectively. If we have $\langle x^2 : x \in G_1 \rangle = K_1 \lhd G_1$ and $\langle y^2 : y \in G_2 \rangle = K_2 \...
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Morphism of free groups that induces isomorphism on abelianizations

I came up with the following question, that I'm not able to prove or disprove. Let $\phi: F_I \to F_J$ a morphism between the free groups generated by the sets $I$ and $J$. This induces a morphism ...
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If $H , K \trianglelefteq F_2$ with $F_2/H\cong F_2/K$ then $H=K$ [closed]

This is probably a basic fact of group theory but I am not able to prove it: Let $F_2$ be the free group generated by 2 elements and $H,K$ be two normal subgroups of $F_2$. If $F_2/H$ is isomorphic ...
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Can the direct product of nontrivial groups $A\times B$ ever be isomorphic to a free group?

Can the direct product of nontrivial groups $A\times B$ ever be isomorphic to a free group? Let's say that for two groups $A$ and $B$ we have that $A\times B \cong F_n$ where $F_n$ is the free group ...
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Is $\langle S \rangle / \operatorname{nc}(T) \simeq \langle S \setminus T \rangle$, where $T \subseteq S$?

Let $S$ be a set and $\langle S \rangle$ denote the free group generated by the set $S$. If we take a subset $T$ of $S$ and consider the quotient group $\langle S \rangle / \operatorname{nc}(T)$, ...
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Equivalence of two elements of the free group under automorphisms?

I have two elements of the form $$ w = x_1^{a_1} x_2^{a_2} x_3^{a_3} x_4^{a_4} x_5^{a_5} x_6^{a_6} $$ and $$ w' = x_1^{b_1} x_2^{b_2} x_3^{b_3} x_4^{b_4} x_5^{b_5} x_6^{b_6} $$ for integers $a_i$ and $...
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Why the group $\langle x,y\mid x^3, y^3, yxyxy\rangle$ is not trivial?

This comes from Artin Second Edition, page 219. Artin defined $G=\langle x,y\mid x^3, y^3, yxyxy\rangle$ , and uses the Todd-Coxeter Algorithm to show that the subgroup $h=\langle y\rangle$ has ...
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Show that two presentations are isomorphic

It is known that if there is a non-abelian group of order $pq$, then it must be the case that $q\mid p-1$ and this group is isomorphic to $\langle a,b:a^p=b^q=1,ab=ba^u\rangle $ wherein $u$ is of ...
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Find number of normal subgroups in $F_3$ such that its factor is isomorphic to a given Abelian group

On the upcoming test I will be given a problem of type: Find all normal subgroups $H$ in $F_n$ such that $F_n/H \cong G$. Here $n$ is a small integer, likely 2 or 3, and $G$ is an Abelian group ...
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Showing this quotient group is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}_2\times{}\mathbb{Z}_2$

How do I show that $\mathbb{Z}_4\times{}\mathbb{Z}_2/K$ is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}_2\times{}\mathbb{Z}_2$, where $K=\langle(2,0)\rangle$. I'm getting confused with the details involved here, I will ...
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What are some examples of groups each isomorphic to a subgroup of each other, although not themselves isomorphic?

Do there exist groups $G$ and $H$ for which $G$ is isomorphic to a subgroup of $H$ and $H$ is isomorphic to a subgroup of $G$, but in fact $G$ is not isomorphic to $H$? I know that $G = F_2$ and $H = ...
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