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What does $\lim \limits_{\theta\to0}\dfrac{\sin(\theta)}{\theta}$ equal when $\theta$ is expressed in degrees?

I know that theta in degrees is $\frac{\pi}{180}$ theta radians, but I don't get the final answer of $0.01745$.

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    $\begingroup$ Have you studied l'hopitals rule? $\endgroup$
    – Mathmo123
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 2:07
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, but I know that I can do this without the l'hospitals rule. $\endgroup$
    – abc
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    $\begingroup$ @Mathmo123 Using L'H to calculate a derivative is circular logic. $\endgroup$
    – N. S.
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$$ \lim_{\theta\to0}\frac{\sin\theta^\circ}{\theta^\circ} = \lim_{\theta\to0} \frac{\sin\left( \dfrac{\pi\theta}{180}\text{ radians} \right)}{\theta} = \lim_{\eta\to0} \frac{\sin(\eta\text{ radians})}{\left( \dfrac{180\eta}{\pi} \right)} = \frac\pi{180}\lim_{\eta\to0} \frac{\sin\eta}{\eta}. $$

This is why radians are used: When radians are used then $\lim\limits_{\eta\to0} \dfrac{\sin \eta} \eta=1$.

Postscript in response to comments below:

The question is how to find \begin{align} & \lim_{\theta\to0} \frac{\text{sine of $\theta$ degrees}}\theta = \lim_{\theta\to0}\frac{\text{sine function in radians}\left(\dfrac{\pi\theta}{180}\right)} \theta \\[12pt] = {} & \frac\pi{180}\lim_{\theta\to0} \frac{\text{sine function in radians}\left(\dfrac{\pi\theta}{180}\right)} {\dfrac{\pi\theta}{180}} = \frac\pi{180}\lim_{\eta\to0} \frac{\text{sine function in radians}(\eta)}\eta. \end{align}

In other words the notation "$\sin$" means a particular function: the one that maps a number $\eta$ to the sine of $\eta$ radians.

End of postscript

It's the same as the reason why $e$ is the "natural" base for exponential functions: \begin{align} \frac{d}{dx} 2^x & = (2^x\cdot\text{constant}) \\[10pt] \frac{d}{dx} 3^x & = (3^x\cdot\text{a different consant}) \\[10pt] \frac{d}{dx} 20^x & = (20^x\cdot\text{yet another constant}) \end{align} etc. Only when the base is $e$ is the "constant" equal to $1$.

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  • $\begingroup$ What I don't understand is the first equality. The original denominator is theta in degrees. So in the first equality, why is the denominator just theta but not (pi theta/180 radians)? Should we convert it to radians as well like the way we did for sin in the numerator? $\endgroup$
    – abc
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 3:01
  • $\begingroup$ @abc : I've expanded the answer in response to your comment above. ${}\qquad{}$ $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 16:46
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The questions seems to be asking you to evaluate

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin^*(x)}{x},$$

where $\sin^*$ means the usual $\sin$ function but evaluating its argument in terms of degrees.

Now, since $360^\circ = 2\pi$ radians, we have the identity

$$\sin^*(x) = \sin\left(\frac{2\pi x}{360}\right)$$

(This is worth contemplating for a bit)

Anyway, we now are trying to evaluate

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin(\frac{2\pi x}{360})}{x}$$

Applying L'Hopital, this is equal to the limit

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{2\pi}{360} \frac{\cos(\frac{2\pi x}{360})}{1} = \frac{2\pi}{360} \sim 0.01745.$$

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    $\begingroup$ I think the question is asking that if the denominator x is in degrees as well. When you write "x" as the denominator, do you mean "x" in degrees or "x" in radians? That is the part that I am the most confused about. $\endgroup$
    – abc
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 3:13
  • $\begingroup$ So I think the problem is worded in an unfortunate way. You really shouldn't think of the denominator as being degrees or radians... what would it mean to divide by 5 degrees? So when I write $x$ I just mean the real number $x$. The difference comes when I want to take $sin$ of $x$. After all, it doesn't really make sense to take $sin$ of a number, but rather $sin$ of an angle. So I have to decide how to turn a real number $x$ into an angle. One way I can do that is with radians, where $\pi/2$ gets mapped to a right angle. Another way is with degrees, where $90$ gets mapped to a right angle. $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 7:03
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If you know the limit in radians $$\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin x}{x}$$ then the limit, with $x$ given in degrees is $$\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin \frac{\pi x}{180}}{x} = \frac{\pi}{180}\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin \frac{\pi x}{180}}{\frac{\pi x}{180}}$$

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  • $\begingroup$ Why don't we need to convert the denominator "x" to "pi time x divided by 180" as well? $\endgroup$
    – abc
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 3:16
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    $\begingroup$ Because $x$ is just a number. However, the argument of $\sin$ is considered to be in radians. If the number we have is in degrees, we must adjust it. $\endgroup$
    – user164587
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 4:05
  • $\begingroup$ In my original question (in the calculus book), "x" actually is written as "x^0c" (i.e. x is in degrees). So shouldn't I convert x^0c to x times pi/180 rad as in the numerator? $\endgroup$
    – abc
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 6:07
  • $\begingroup$ No. Degrees (or radians) are dimensionless. Outside of a trigonometric function, they are just numbers. $\endgroup$
    – user164587
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 6:09
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    $\begingroup$ An alternative explanation is that if you draw the unit circle and a radius, calling $x$ the arc length of the sector thus created between the positive $x$-axis and the radius. Then, the angle in radians of the sector is $x$. Dropping a perpendicular from the point of intersection of the radius and the circle, we draw a line of length $\sin x$. If we now decide to label the same angle in degrees, we get the angle to be $\frac{180x}{\pi}$, $\textbf{but the lengths of the arc and the perpendicular are unchanged}$. $\endgroup$
    – user164587
    Commented Sep 15, 2014 at 0:25
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When angles are said to be in degrees, this actually means that when applying trigonometric functions, they are interpreted as degrees. Hence in the question "$\sin(\theta)$" must be understood as $$\sin\left(\frac{\pi\theta}{180}\right)$$ where $\sin$ is the usual sine function (arguments in radians) and you are in fact computing

$$\lim_{\theta\to0}\frac{\sin\left(\dfrac{\pi\theta}{180}\right)}\theta.$$

There is no reason to convert at the denominator, division is still the ordinary division. Only the trigonometric function is "special".

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The question is not properly posed.

In whatever units the is angle chosen the result is the same $(=1).$

For all units (degree, radian)

$$ lim_{X \rightarrow 0}\dfrac{\sin X}{X}$$

equals unity.

You should get that answer independently when asked " how many radians are there in a degree?"

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  • $\begingroup$ In a way I agree. On the other hand, the question implies that when taking the sine, angles are interpreted as degrees. Hence, $\sin(1)/1=0.0174524...$, not $0.84147...$ $\endgroup$
    – user65203
    Commented Sep 14, 2020 at 14:59
  • $\begingroup$ Evaluating a fraction when the denominator is still kept at $1$.. when argument of numerator and the denominator should together tend to zero...that to me appears as needing some correction. $\endgroup$
    – Narasimham
    Commented Sep 14, 2020 at 19:24
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    $\begingroup$ Come on, I am not computing the limit, I am showing which sine you need to consider. $\endgroup$
    – user65203
    Commented Sep 14, 2020 at 21:48

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