Timeline for So what's a "Realencyclopädie"?
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| Feb 4 at 22:52 | answer | added | vectory | timeline score: -2 | |
| Jan 22 at 3:47 | vote | accept | lly | ||
| Jan 22 at 3:36 | comment | added | lly | @SebastianKoppehel Actually, a real dictionary might make sense compared to the English Dictionary of Imaginary Places, The Meaning of Liff, and similar compendia of nonsense. Similarly, German antiquity makes sense in a way that "classical antiquity" somewhat doesn't in English (unless you're saying you're focused on the height of Athens and Rome versus their archaic or late variants). In any case, I think we have this cracked now. =) | |
| Jan 21 at 21:45 | comment | added | Sebastian Koppehel | @lly Say hello to the Reallexikon der Germanischen Altertumskunde ;-) (Truth be told, it is newer and its title may be inspired by the Pauly.) | |
| Jan 20 at 13:25 | answer | added | David Vogt | timeline score: 4 | |
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| Jan 19 at 23:25 | answer | added | Jonathan Herrera♦ | timeline score: 10 | |
| Jan 19 at 20:25 | answer | added | Janka | timeline score: 6 | |
| Jan 19 at 17:19 | history | edited | HalvarF | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 19 at 16:26 | comment | added | lly | @CarstenS That's exactly on point and probably the crux of the issue. The suggestion there is (where "real" would feel weird in English) to use "practical" instead. "Real-world" would also fit. I'm still a little curious what made this book more practical than similar works on the topic but that's probably the core of the answer. If you wanna type up some version of that into an answer, I'd upvote it and check it off. Further info about the RE itself could be added down the road if you're unsure. | |
| Jan 19 at 16:21 | comment | added | lly | @RDBury At least within English, "classical" is similarly ambiguous (although here obviously focused on Greece and Rome) but "antiquity" without qualifiers always refers to the ancient Mediterranean in the classical period. In German, you'd honestly expect a treatment of Altertumswissenschaft to cover India, China, and possibly prehistory as well without further qualification? If so, fair enough... but I do have doubts, especially in the context of 19th century universities and academic writing. | |
| Jan 19 at 16:20 | comment | added | Carsten S | Related: german.stackexchange.com/questions/67227/… | |
| Jan 19 at 16:12 | comment | added | RDBury | Perhaps relevant: »reell« vs. »real« | |
| Jan 19 at 15:24 | comment | added | Henning Kockerbeck | It's mostly guesswork, so just a comment, but there's a distinction between "formale Bildung" and "reale Bildung". Sometimes, the distinction is between "humanistische Bildung" and "reale Bildung". The Wikipedia article on 'Realschule' explains that "reale Bildung" referred to education about "real things", education that was considered "useful". I'd reckon that an "Realenzyklopädie" followed similar principles, to teach only what was considered "necessary". It's beyond my expertise to dive deeper into this, but maybe somebody can continue from here. | |
| Jan 19 at 15:01 | comment | added | RDBury | On the bonus points, antiquity refers to anything in the distant past, but Classical antiquity refers to the cultures of Ancient Greece, Rome, and related areas. So Chinese antiquity would not be considered "Classical". Meanwhile Classical does not refer to age but to a certain aesthetic considered to be a characteristic of Ancient Greece, Rome, etc. | |
| Jan 19 at 14:54 | comment | added | lly | @tohuwawohu Not saying you're wrong but, if the whole idea of a realschool was that they weren't focused on Latin and classical studies, the title then becomes The Self-Contradictory Encyclopedia of Classical Classical Studies? or what additional context is still missing? Maybe something like Real-World Encyclopedia involving more archaeological and epigraphic work as opposed to only looking at the surviving texts on their own? | |
| Jan 19 at 14:24 | comment | added | tohuwawohu | I suppose (thus just a comment, not an answer) that the title relates to the intended use/audience of the "Ur-Pauly" (!) at school, not primarily in an academic environment - similar to "Realschule". | |
| Jan 19 at 14:07 | comment | added | lly | Bonus points if you can point out why in German it might make sense to qualify Altertumswissenschaft with classischen, which creates the redundant "Classical Classical Studies" in literal English translation. | |
| Jan 19 at 13:43 | history | asked | lly | CC BY-SA 4.0 |