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Category:Apache Software Foundation members

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Category:Mass media of the military of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: not renamed. bibliomaniac 1 5 17:31, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Mass media of the military of the United States to Category:Mass media of the United States military

Nominator's rationale: To match names of other categories about aspects of the U.S. military. Trivialist (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the proposal conflicts both with C2C, Category:Military of the United States, and with C2D, United States Armed Forces. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Category:Military of the United States is correctly named per Category:Military by country and Category:Mass media of the military of the United States is thus correctly named as a subcat (and also per Category:Mass media of the military). Oculi (talk) 23:19, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'd say Oculi is rightly referring to the category tree and our responsibility to treat the US military just the same as others. --Just N. (talk) 19:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia Mediation Committee members

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia Mediation Committee members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Mediation Committee is marked as historical, and a much more complete list of its former members exists at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Members * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as creator, unnecessary, one userpage in it, historical, redundant, etc. Daniel (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems completely obsolete. --Just N. (talk) 19:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pro golf tour event templates

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Category:Stem5 Volunteer

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Stem5 Volunteer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A category created by a user who this was their second to last edit over 6 years ago, and who is also its only member. Additionally, the page associated with the category, Stem5 does not exist. Gonnym (talk) 09:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't seem to serve a navigational nor a maintenance purpose. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No use ar all! --Just N. (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Members of Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament

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The result of the discussion was: rename all according to nom. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:21, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wales AMs 2016–2021 to Category:Wales MSs 2016–2021
Propose renaming Category:Wales AMs 2021– to Category:Wales MSs 2021–2026

Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination following no-consensus result at CFD May 9 due to only one of these categories being nominated. Since May 2020, Welsh Assembly Members (AMs) are called Members of the Senedd (MSs). In that CFD and on the Speedy page it has been pointed out that the "2021–" format is in breach of MOS:TOPRESENT. Adding the closing year "2026" is consistent with others in Category:Legislators by term, e.g. Category:Members of the Polish Sejm 2019–2023, Category:Members of the Riksdag 2018–2022, the current-term sub-cats of Category:21st-century Pakistani politicians, and Category:MEPs 2019–2024 and its many sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 07:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Though I have to say, I have no idea how this current system of using abbreviations that might not be clear for people outside the field (and I count myself with those people) is still around. Category names such as Category:Members of the Polish Sejm 2019–2023 are much more clear. Wikipedia:Categorization#Naming conventions point number 4 address this. To be clear, I don't oppose the above proposal as it isn't an issue in only one category. Gonnym (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No oppose, but an alternative could be Category:Members of the Senedd 2021–2026. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That's also acceptable to me, and would correspond to subcats of Category:Members of the Scottish Parliament by term. It's not necessary to match the short form used in "MPs" and "MEPs" since those are longer-established and better known. – Fayenatic London 11:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Members of the Senedd" is unnecessarily verbose. Per WP:ABBREV, the term "MS" should be expanded on its first use, which will nearly always be in the lead of the article. That way, no prior knowledge of the field is needed to see what the abbreviation means.
    I have done big AWB runs to find and fix biogs of TDs and MPs and MSPs to ensure that they have the appropriate expansion in the lead — e.g. "Teachta Dála (TD)" or "Member of the Scottish Parliament (MSP) — and will be happy to do the same for MSs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, preferable to leaving the current category as "Welsh AMs", though per the previous discussion I am no fan of naming the 2016-2021 category "MSs" when they were only MSs for one of those 5 years. Anyway, with fixed term parliaments where the year of the next parliament is unlikely to change, it makes sense to add an end date. Sionk (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe it is normal practice for categories to use the final name rather than the initial name for the topic. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  @Sionk:: Fayenatic london is right. Standard practice is to use the more recent name. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the change to "MSs". I opposed the previous nomination due to inconsistency, but this one reflects the official change in 2020 and applies it to both the affected categories.
I prefer the brevity of "MSs", and per my comment above, spelling out "Members of the Senedd" is un-needed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but shouldn't there be brackets? Unreal7 (talk) 23:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Change to MS only from 2021 election. The new name Senedd was only recently adopted so that they were AMs for most of the old assembly term. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - support all aspects of the nom. Category:Wales AMs 2016–2021 should have been changed to MSs in 2020, when they became MSs. Oculi (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete These by session categories lead to way too much category clutter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- In previous CFDs, British and other European categories by term were kept in 2011, but Canadian and Alaskan categories were recently deleted; for links, see Category talk:Legislators by term. – Fayenatic London 23:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - The decision back in 2011 was a horrible one. We have way too many people in 5 or more by term categories and it is leading to way too may category clutter. Categories should be a few key points, not fine minutia like listing of everything. That someone was in a legislative body is enough to categorize by, not every term they served.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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KSI

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac 1 5 17:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed renaming Category:KSI (entertainer) albums to Category:KSI albums
Proposed renaming Category:KSI (entertainer) songs to Category:KSI songs
Proposed renaming Category:Songs written by KSI (entertainer) to Category:Songs written by KSI
Proposed renaming Category:KSI (entertainer) to Category:KSI

Nominator's rationale: rename, The title of the KSI article is no longer "KSI (entertainer)", it is now simply "KSI". Therefore, the titles of KSI-related categories should be updated to reflect this change. Timwikisidemen (talk) 07:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Timwikisidemen: Will you be nominating Category:KSI (entertainer) as well? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 06:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: these were not eligible for speedy renaming (WP:C2D) because of ambiguity; see Killed or Seriously Injured and other meanings at KSI (disambiguation). – Fayenatic London 07:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rename The main article was created at KSI in 2013 and appears to have remained stable so we should defer. (If that's a bad article name, WP:RM is the right venue followed by a speedy rename of this cat.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It irks me that simplistic C2D category moves such as these are often derailed by editors who think that the world will end if we name categories eponymously. If anything, keeping it as is does the opposite of aiding navigation. Sean Stephens (talk) 10:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It irks me when editors don't follow or understand the guidelines yet think they do. C2D exists for a reason. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll bite. Would you care to elaborate? C2D exists to resolve ambiguity, and if consensus has determined a page as the primary topic, the category isn't ambiguous. There's no changing my mind on this issue. Sean Stephens (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, WP:C2D exists to resolve inconsistency quickly, but only where there is no ambiguity. A WP:primary topic is by definition only a thing in cases where the name is ambiguous. In cases of ambiguity, a full discussion is required, and this is helpful as it leaves a record of the decision, which is easily traceable using "what links here". – Fayenatic London 23:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Bishops of the Church of the East

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