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Category:Wikipedian actors

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedian actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. I doubt that this category is helpful in collaberation for creating an encyclopedia, except possibly as original research. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The category has as much potential to help as any other category in Category:Wikipedians by profession. I don't see a reason for singling it out. - Eureka Lott 00:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the nom's argument could likely be used for each of those categories, unless someone in one of said professions would be sought out by the foundation for assistance, which would be limited to very few (computer programmers and the like, perhaps?). Actors certainly wouldn't be sought out unless they were planning on making a tv commercial for Wikipedia. That being said, I'll wait for a few more comments to see if anyone can think of how this (and other profession categories) could benefit the encyclopedia. VegaDark (talk) 22:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, I believe that it applies to most of them. The problem is, that if I were to naominate all of them, we would end up with a trainwreck - as certain categories here are arguably relevant - for example, users in Category:Wikipedian chemists are likely to have enough of an understanding in the reliable sources about chemistry to help source articles about that topic. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Unfortunately by nominating individual ones you get comments like below where people say you should treat all these equally. I think the best approach, perhaps, is to start that trainwreck after all. Perhaps if you nominated the entire category, and only nominated it for discussion without a proposal to actually do anything, it might soften the blow and we can discuss the merits of such users vs. our policies against original research and such. VegaDark (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this is a case where WP:OTHERSTUFF applies, I think, as including some professions and excluding others would be WP:POV... - The Bushranger One ping only 09:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Category:Stardust (spacecraft)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Stardust (spacecraft) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Small category with little to no chance of expansion. No need to categorise the celestial object studied by the spacecraft doing the studying (imagine if we did this for the moon...), and the citizen science program can be linked to from the main article (which it is). The Bushranger One ping only 22:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Steam5 (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Clipboard

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Clipboard to Category:Clipboard (computing)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. To remove ambiguity, and per main article. Pnm (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Commercial airplanes

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Commercial airplanes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category duplicates the various "airliners" and "cargo aircraft" categories that already exist, and is indiscriminate; with the excepion of military combat aircraft (and not even all of those), virtually any aircraft can be a "commercial aircraft". Just having at least one example of the type being used by an airline (the apparent intended scope of the category) is not defining for an aircraft. The Bushranger One ping only 22:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are right about the duplicates, what can I say? But, you are only using the one and only example of a military aircraft-not counting modified Boeings used by Governments-that I know about to call the cat. indiscriminate. It is true that there are many commercial airliners around the world, but it's also true that there are many other categories at wikipedia that should be re-evaluated, such as (Im naming these boxing being my other favorite subject) WBC world boxing champions, WBA world boxing champions, IBF world boxing champions, WBO world boxing champions since they all could just be classified as world boxing champions. I will vote keep since I created the category....just saying :) Antonio Just Me Martin AM 23:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Any aircraft that is used for commercial purposes (i.e. a Piper J-3 Cub used by an Alaska bush pilot) would be considered a "commercial" airplane. Many smaller aircraft are used for charter, air cargo or flight instruction, all of which requires (in the US) a Commercial Pilot License. --rogerd (talk) 22:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I could claim to be a professional boxer but I wasn't. I could have bought a Learjet and fly it with a commercial license, to carry hats, or dogs or something...then should the Lear be generally considered a commercial aircraft? No...but if a reputable, known airline company has flown it, then it is considered a commercial aircraft, is it not? -Antonio Tony Salsa Martin (come tell me) 23:24, 22 December, 2011 (UTC)

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Category:Theoretical physicists by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge to parents. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Theoretical physicists by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete (with all subcategories), and carefully undo the edits that moved all of the articles out of the parent categories. This category is redundant with Category:Theoretical physicists and Category:Physicists by nationality. It is not helpful to diffuse the main theoretical physicists category into nationality subcategories. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural note: Don't the subcategories need to be tagged? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/disagree Category:Turkish theoretical physicists and Category:Pakistani theoretical physicists already existed, i just continued the trend for all other mentioned nationalities, and think {{allincluded}} would be more appropiate. (it gives people the option to look at them by nationality)Brad7777 (talk) 16:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Allincluded seems like a better idea than what we have at the moment. Sławomir Biały (talk) 18:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ruslik_Zero 18:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Suggest upmerge to parents: I cannot beleive there are enough candidates for either nom category to warrant preservation. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to physicist by nationality category. The problem is not that there are too few physicists, but that theoretical physicists are not a distinct group. Many physicists engage in both applied and theoretical actions. The exact among of not applying their ideas would be debatable, so there is not a clear way to define who goes in these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Chicago Fire

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy Rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Chicago Fire to Category:Chicago Fire Soccer Club
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per main article. If this passes, subcat.s are speedy-able. —Justin (koavf)TCM09:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Discrimination against homosexuals

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Discrimination against homosexuals to Category:Discrimination against LGBT people
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The word "homosexuals" is not used in category names. Tim! (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose sorting this with a split into Category:Anti-LGBT legislation for #1 and Category:Heterosexism for #2–4. Heterosexism means "attitudes, bias, and discrimination against LGBs" which a close synonym for the current title. #5 belongs in Category:Persecution of homosexuals. – Pnm (talk) 23:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Insofar as using "homosexuals" is an issue (and it is), "Discrimination based on sexual orientation" or "Discrimination against LGB people" is a good alternative. However, I would also support using the title "Discrimination against LGBT people" and having "Discrimination against transgender people" as a subcategory. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 00:07, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Persecution of homosexuals

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Persecution of gay and lesbian people; revisit if necessary. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Persecution of homosexuals to Category:Persecution of LGBT people
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The word "homosexuals" is not used in category names. Tim! (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Federal New Democratic Party categories

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:New Democratic Party of Canada leadership elections to Category:New Democratic Party leadership elections. No consensus for two others. Ruslik_Zero 18:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. I was already speedy renaming per C2D to match the main article New Democratic Party and Category:New Democratic Party MPs. One user already oppose speedy renaming. I will move both Federal NDP categories for a full CfD. And let's find out if users want to support renaming to match the main article. Steam5 (talk) 06:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian random page patrollers

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedian random page patrollers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. While the process or random page patrol is very helpful to the encyclopedia, the user category is completely unnecessary. The very point of having a category is so that someone can click on the category, look at the members, and seek one out for a Wikipedia furthering purpose. The very nature of random page patrol would seem to negate the possibility of this being collaborative. I can think of absolutely no reason to specifically seek out a "random page patroller" in a category grouping. What's someone going to say? "Hey, uh...I was wondering...could you continue to do some more random page patrol? Thanks." If someone was performing a random page patrol and found something they had a question about, that would be better served on the talk page or perhaps looking through the edit history and find an active editor-It would be ludicrous to ask the question to another random page patroller who would likely know nothing about said article. VegaDark (talk) 06:20, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While the pages that are being looked at are selected at random, there is little difference in the types of work being down by such patrollers than those patrolling recent edits or new articles. The results are inherently random for those other categories based on the timing of the edit. I'm sure that there are issues that random page patrollers encounter or ideas that participants may want to bounce off of each other, such that the existence of this group can be a distinct benefit to the project. Alansohn (talk) 04:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • "There is little difference in the types of work being down by such patrollers than those patrolling recent edits or new articles" - I don't think such categories for those users is useful at all either, although I would say those two groups are more involving than "random page" patrol. Those at least have special pages/features to actually generate something that someone could have a question about. Random page patrol, however, is literally clicking the random page button and checking page history. There are no "features" other than a single button. There are no special pages that someone could get confused about. I see no way that someone would be looking through this category for any legitimate question as to how the process works. You say "I'm sure that there are issues that random page patrollers encounter or ideas that participants may want to bounce off of each other" - is this mere conjecture, or can you actually come up with an example of such a use? I can't. VegaDark (talk) 08:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Couchsurfing Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Couchsurfing Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category that is apparently linked to the website CouchSurfing, that is to say that this category groups users of that website. This category does not support collaboration of anything, and thus violates WP:USERCAT. See here for related precedent against "Wikipedian by website" categories. VegaDark (talk) 06:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete violates WP:USERCAT --rogerd (talk) 00:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This could be referring to the practice of living in someone's house as long as they tolerate until you move to the next person's house, etc. This is the original meaning of Couchsurfing, predating the website. I'm pretty sure the category doesn't refer to the website, for that matter D O N D E groovily Talk to me 23:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I thought that was the case at first, however the userbox associated with this category links to the Couchsurfing website, and all the users in this category that I looked at were only added due to that userbox. In any case, I think a category for users who actually couchsurf would be even less useful than those who belong to this website. VegaDark (talk) 01:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per precedent.--Lenticel (talk) 05:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Places that Gautama Buddha visited clean-up

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Places in India that Gautama Buddha visited (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Places in Sri Lanka that Gautama Buddha visited (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. The parent category Category:Places that Gautama Buddha visited was deleted here. The subcategories were not included in the nomination, I assume by oversight. This is a pro forma nomination to delete them as well. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Labor disputes in Egypt

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. No prejustice against recreation if articles are later found to properly populate. The Bushranger One ping only 09:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Labor disputes in Egypt (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I don't buy that the 2011 Egyptian revolution was a labor dispute, and that's all that's in this category.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 04:10, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Knesset Medal recipients

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Knesset Medal recipients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Hard to categorize by something that doesn't even have an article. Not sourced in the articles that are in the category. Would say this falls under WP:OC#AWARD. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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