Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Dufek

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No significant coverage in reliable sources. Most citations in the article come from Formula Scout, an outlet that has been considered questionable in past AfD discussions. The article fails WP:GNG, WP:YOUNGATH, and WP:NMOTORSPORT. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:24, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Won't vote as I'm undecided: Dufek hasn't done anything other than F4 yet, but is a former F1 junior and is poised to make the step up to FRECA next season. What I'd like to know is when, why and by whom Formula Scout was considered "questionable". I know for a fact that they're actively in the paddocks of most feeder series, and their work is independent, neutral and reliable. If anything, the problem with this article is it relies too much on one source. But more sources can be found easily with a quick search. MSport1005 (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• There are some mentions of Dufek in other sources, but they are not what I would call reliable or significant. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, I don't follow Dufek at all so I'm not familiar with his career trajectory, but as it stands he doesn't have the coverage or notability to warrant an article. Looking at FRECA season articles, most drivers are in blue, but looking at those articles it seems like many shouldn't be.

In several recent AfDs I have been involved in, Formula Scout has been questioned because of its highly specialized nature. I do not disagree that they are a reliable and useful source, but I do not believe they can be used to establish notability because their entire modus operandi is to cover obscure and otherwise unimportant series. Further, looking at their homepage (which is something I do regularly since I follow several junior series), I would say a lot of their coverage is borderline routine. Therefore I struggle to understand how it can be used to establish notability, and its ability to do so must be called into question. Perhaps it was a poor way of wording it, but I am willing to challenge Formula Scout's use in this context. To me, this is WP:UNDUE on a larger scale: allowing Formula Scout to be used to establish notability places undue importance on their view as a small, incredibly niche, but still reliable publication. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage in Formula Scout may contribute towards the notability of the series that these drivers compete in, but the coverage of the drivers themselves is nearly always WP:ROUTINE and I have serious doubts that most single-seater drivers below FIA Formula 2 Championship level are typically notable for more than one event based upon what coverage I've seen. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say the modus operandi of Formula Scout is "covering obscure and otherwise unimportant series"—some might be, but FRECA or F3, let alone F2 or Indy Lights, are hardly unimportant. But I do see your point, their articles are valid purely as a source, but are not enough to establish notability. As for Dufek, I also feel like he may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, as I stated a few weeks ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Bearman, but I remain undecided. MSport1005 (talk) 16:40, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep Having participated in the Italian F4 Championship should give him so notability though his sources are just passing mentions. I will leave it for the closing admin to decide. Keriwands (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC) — Keriwands (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of NagalimNE (talk · contribs). [reply]

• Strongly disagree. F4 is an amateur series for drivers only just starting out in single seaters. Very, very few F4 drivers have articles since the series is not professional, let alone important in the world of motorsport. Participation in the series does not meet the criteria set out in WP:NMOTORSPORT. References to Dufek are passing mentions because of this and therefore fall under routine coverage. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 15:10, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - As always, I have serious ethical concerns about the number of articles being created about very young racing drivers who compete in exceedingly minor series. Coverage in Formula Scout is almost always WP:ROUTINE so far as the competitors involved are concerned, and this case does not appear particularly different. Formula Four drivers are not public figures, and typically are known by anyone for at most one event (winning some incredibly minor racing championship). In the longer term, WP:BLPs like this are unlikely to be maintained unless the driver in question goes on to find notability elsewhere, which we simply cannot predict, and as such may become an easy target for vandals or the like. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:33, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Like I said in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Bearman, he's a clear fail of WP:GNG as there is no multiple significant coverage of him in reliable sources, aside from WP:ROUTINE coverage of signings, passing mentions and blogs. The best I was able to find was a paragraph about his former results + a sentence about nationality of his and his parents [1]. Dufek might overcome WP:TOOSOON as he steps up in the Formula ladder, but his F4 results are so uninspiring (4th in F4 Spain is a bit misleading as he was outclassed by most of his rookie teammates). We'll see I guess. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as I said in the previous discussion, all sources for Durek that I could find were routine coverage or press releases, neither of which can count towards establishing notability. A7V2 (talk) 23:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per HumanBodyPiloter5's citation of WP:MINORS and WP:ROUTINE. Formula 4 is not a professional championship; we do not have articles on Junior B hockey players, etc. -^{"Ghost of Dan Gurney"} 18:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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