Geraldo Perez
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Appreciate the explanation. Every day's a school day! Quentin X (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Her birthday is mentioned as May 6, 2002 on IMBD, Rotten Tomatoes and Town and Country Music are those reliable articles Tnays20 (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Tnays20: Check WP:RSNP for most of them and also good reading in general. WP:IMDB is specifically not a reliable source for pretty much anything. Rotten Tomatoes is fine for ratings info but not for bio info. Nothing specific about Town and Country Music but I'd be suspicious as they likely got their info from IMDb. Glamour source in the article is the best we have found so far and gives a good approximations. Also see WP:BLPPRIVACY - some people don't want their exact birthdate known and don't make it generally known, this may be the case for Lind, Approximate is fine if sourced. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I spoke to another user Laterthanyouthink (talk) he said “After raising another discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard, opinion still seems to be split about using RT as a source, but some editors seem to think it's okay to use it as a source for birth info. Tnays20 (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- The summary statement at WP:ROTTEN TOMATOES is "
There is consensus that Rotten Tomatoes should not be used for biographical information, cast and crew data, or other film and television data, as it is sourced from user-generated and user-provided content with a lack of oversight and verification.
" Some editors may think it is OK to use but most don't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)- Can I use Fandango as a source her birthday is listed as May 6, 2002 on Fandango,Fame10,Horror wiki, Famous Birthdays, Astrotheme, TV Tropes, TV insider Tnays20 (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Too many sources get their info from IMDb including most of those you list that I recognize. Someone writes an article, checks Wikipedia and IMDb for basic research and includes that in their article. Best way to check is to look at [[WP::RSNP]] or do a search on the archives at WP:RSN. Real major news sources with a reputation of fact checking or personal social media pages where the subject gives out the info herself is what we are looking for. Again see WP:BLPPRIVACY. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I found an article from Emily was 9 and she tells a reporter her birthday is May 6 titled:=Emily Alyn Lind Interview: Busy Young Actress Stars in ABC's 'Revenge'
- Written by Melissa Parker can I use it as a source Tnays20 (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I found an article from when Emily was 9 by Smashing interviews Magazine and she tells a reporter her birthday is May 6 titled:=Emily Alyn Lind Interview: Busy Young Actress Stars in ABC's 'Revenge'
- Written by Melissa Parker can I use it as a source Tnays20 (talk) 22:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): When is your birthday?
- Emily Alyn Lind: May 6. Tnays20 (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- smashinginterviews interviews/actors/emily-alyn-lind-interview-busy-young-actress-stars-in-abcs-revenge is blacklisted for use on Wikipedia so can't be used. I can't even put the full url of the interview in this reply. This means a reference to that site would be rejected by wiki software when you tried to save the page. Otherwise it would have been OK since she herself stated her birth day and month, and stated age at date of publication give year. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I got a reply from Laterthanyouthink (talk)and he said:IMDB is not a reliable source, but I remember an earlier talk page discussion about RT bios where the editors concerned agreed that it was acceptable for DOB. I have added some notes and other sources on the talk page of the article, so you can use those sources and/or discuss it further there. Tnays20 (talk) 23:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the editors agreed that RT bios were acceptable for birth info and I gave you a article where Emily states out her own mouth her birthday is May 6 then I don’t see why you won’t update her Wikipedia page. Tnays20 (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Source you gave that backs it up is blacklisted so can't be used. Other editors are mistaken and are ignoring the RfC about the issue. Info of this sort must be sourced in the article. Article currently is sourced for the info it has. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I found another article by J-14:
- XOXOMeet ‘Gossip Girl’ Star Emily Alyn Lind — The Actress Is Making a Major Name for Herself
- Dec 1, 2022 10:58 am
- By Shelby Stivale. It mentions her birthday:She’s a New York NativeThe actress was born on May 6, 2002, in Brooklyn, New York.:https://www.j-14.com/posts/gossip-girl-reboot-star-emily-alyn-lind-everything-to-know/ can it be sourced? Tnays20 (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That article is just repeating stuff from other sources and then just throws out her birthdate with no context about where the author got it from, likely IMDb. The Tribute.ca source mentioned in the talk page is likely useable as it is a bio blurb in a reputable source, not a gossip magazine. Suggest continuing this discussion about search for sources on that page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Video where Emily mentions she was 9 from October 9, 2011 that supports she was born 2002: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlln85_natalie-alyn-lind-vip-premiere-night-3rd-annual-los-angeles-haunted-hayride-interview_shortfilms Tnays20 (talk) 01:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That just duplicates the Glamour source that is currently in the article. Gave how old she was at a certain date. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay I what about this People magazine article about her mom’s divorce that says her age is 22: One Tree Hill’s Barbara Alyn Woods and Husband John Lind Divorce After More Than 20 Years of Marriage:https://people.com/one-tree-hill-barbara-alyn-woods-and-husband-john-lind-divorce-8654355 Tnays20 (talk) 01:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That duplicates the existing reference in the article. We know her age at a given date. What is unsourced is the day and month. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay I what about this People magazine article about her mom’s divorce that says her age is 22: One Tree Hill’s Barbara Alyn Woods and Husband John Lind Divorce After More Than 20 Years of Marriage:https://people.com/one-tree-hill-barbara-alyn-woods-and-husband-john-lind-divorce-8654355 Tnays20 (talk) 01:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That just duplicates the Glamour source that is currently in the article. Gave how old she was at a certain date. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Video where Emily mentions she was 9 from October 9, 2011 that supports she was born 2002: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlln85_natalie-alyn-lind-vip-premiere-night-3rd-annual-los-angeles-haunted-hayride-interview_shortfilms Tnays20 (talk) 01:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- That article is just repeating stuff from other sources and then just throws out her birthdate with no context about where the author got it from, likely IMDb. The Tribute.ca source mentioned in the talk page is likely useable as it is a bio blurb in a reputable source, not a gossip magazine. Suggest continuing this discussion about search for sources on that page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Source you gave that backs it up is blacklisted so can't be used. Other editors are mistaken and are ignoring the RfC about the issue. Info of this sort must be sourced in the article. Article currently is sourced for the info it has. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the editors agreed that RT bios were acceptable for birth info and I gave you a article where Emily states out her own mouth her birthday is May 6 then I don’t see why you won’t update her Wikipedia page. Tnays20 (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I got a reply from Laterthanyouthink (talk)and he said:IMDB is not a reliable source, but I remember an earlier talk page discussion about RT bios where the editors concerned agreed that it was acceptable for DOB. I have added some notes and other sources on the talk page of the article, so you can use those sources and/or discuss it further there. Tnays20 (talk) 23:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- smashinginterviews interviews/actors/emily-alyn-lind-interview-busy-young-actress-stars-in-abcs-revenge is blacklisted for use on Wikipedia so can't be used. I can't even put the full url of the interview in this reply. This means a reference to that site would be rejected by wiki software when you tried to save the page. Otherwise it would have been OK since she herself stated her birth day and month, and stated age at date of publication give year. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Too many sources get their info from IMDb including most of those you list that I recognize. Someone writes an article, checks Wikipedia and IMDb for basic research and includes that in their article. Best way to check is to look at [[WP::RSNP]] or do a search on the archives at WP:RSN. Real major news sources with a reputation of fact checking or personal social media pages where the subject gives out the info herself is what we are looking for. Again see WP:BLPPRIVACY. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can I use Fandango as a source her birthday is listed as May 6, 2002 on Fandango,Fame10,Horror wiki, Famous Birthdays, Astrotheme, TV Tropes, TV insider Tnays20 (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- The summary statement at WP:ROTTEN TOMATOES is "
- I spoke to another user Laterthanyouthink (talk) he said “After raising another discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard, opinion still seems to be split about using RT as a source, but some editors seem to think it's okay to use it as a source for birth info. Tnays20 (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Emily Alyn Lind (birthday is May 6, 2002)
editHer smashing interviews interview she gave in 2011 at 9 she said she was born May 6. But I found a J-14 article that has her birthday as May 6, 2002:J-14:
- XOXOMeet ‘Gossip Girl’ Star Emily Alyn Lind — The Actress Is Making a Major Name for Herself
- Dec 1, 2022 10:58 am
- By Shelby Stivale. It mentions her birthday:She’s a New York NativeThe actress was born on May 6, 2002, in Brooklyn, New York.:https://www.j-14.com/posts/gossip-girl-reboot-star-emily-alyn-lind-everything-to-know/ can it be sourced?