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I am working on a buck converter on a PCB. I would like to run some LTSpice simulations to see the impact of the parasitic inductances and resistances of the traces and coupling capacitances.

Is there any where I can find a very rough ballpark model with values for this? It doesn't need to be specific to my layout. Just any good PCB buck converter design that has measured the parasitic so I can see the effect on my design?

Again, I know this is highly subjective based on the layout but if there is a sample buck converter PCB layout somewhere, where someone has measured these, that would be great.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ How are you modelling component parasitics? \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Aug 30, 2023 at 12:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Andyaka Plan is to have a lumped element model to add to my buck circuit on LTSpice. I just need some very very ballpark figures for these lumped elements - for example series resistance between driver and inductor, inductance, coupling caps. I have no idea what these values are even in the range of. \$\endgroup\$
    – muosac
    Commented Aug 30, 2023 at 13:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ You haven't answered my question. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Aug 30, 2023 at 14:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ Using manufacturer provided models. Does that answer your question? \$\endgroup\$
    – muosac
    Commented Aug 30, 2023 at 17:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ Have you checked to see how much more the parasitics in the components models are when compared to PCB inductance and capacitance? \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Aug 30, 2023 at 18:09

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For starters: trace, pin, via, pad, component body, etc. lengths correspond to about 0.5 nH per mm of length. This is basically μ0 times a geometric constant (typically 0.2-0.5). It's lesser where conductors are wide and low (above the substrate/plane), and greater when narrower and higher.

This is most meaningful when the elements are placed over solid ground plane, which blocks magnetic fields from coupling to other elements. This makes the coupling matrix of the PCB is sparse, and the circuit is easy to model.

PCB layouts can be arbitrarily poor, in which case the geometric constant may be higher (perhaps 0.4-0.8 even), and the coupling matrix is dense; while it's not impossible for such a design to make it through EMC, it's vastly more difficult not just to achieve low emissions (or adequate susceptibility), but to diagnose and improve the system in case it does not. (That is, short of introducing planes and additional filtering anyway -- immure the nasty tangle of wires inside a metal box and heavily filter any wires to it.)

So, keep this in mind for choosing a basic design approach for the layout.

There are simulation tools which can extract the inductance matrix (or s-parameters for RF purposes) of a PCB, but they are fairly pricey, of course.

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