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I have this application which requires 18VDC as well as 12VDC. To get 12V I have designed a buck converter circuit which can supply up to 2A.

The problem:

The 18VDC (3.33A) supply may suffer from shorts which may last up to 50ms. This has a negative effect on the 12V line. The voltage drops here as well.

What I want to achieve:

If the ingoing 18VDC supply experiences a 50ms short, I want to keep the input voltage on the buck converter above 13V to prevent the 12V from dipping.

My proposed solution:

I want to use a single diode and a capacitor to bridge the shortcircuit gaps. The idea is to keep to the voltage above 13V during 50ms on the ingoing side of the buck converter.

(My other alternative is to use a bigger PSU and limit the short current to prevent a voltage drops in the first place)

My question.

I want to know, if using the capacitor is possible and what the mininum capacitance should be.

I used the following constant current discharge formula I got from Mouser's. t = {C × (V0-V1)} / I

With

t  = 0.05s
V0 = 17.3V  (18V - V diode)
V1 = 13V
I  = 1.5A (estimated current draw on the ingoing side of the buck converter, I believe that the current draw is increased when the voltage drops)

I calculated that C would be atleast a whopping 57F. I am however not entirely sure if this calculation is correct.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Check your math... when I solve that formula with your numbers, I get 0.05 s * 1.5 A / 4.3 V = approx. 17.4 mF. \$\endgroup\$
    – TypeIA
    Commented May 22, 2023 at 10:26
  • \$\begingroup\$ At 1.5A a 1F cap would drop 1.5V per second. You can afford a 4.3V drop so 0.349F would hold up for 1sec, and 17.4mF would hold up for 50ms, just as @TypeIA says \$\endgroup\$
    – Frog
    Commented May 22, 2023 at 10:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ I checked the math again and found my mistake. I divided the number in the wrong way. Now I also get the same output \$\endgroup\$
    – bask185
    Commented May 22, 2023 at 10:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ What would be the time between 2 shorts? Is it guaranteed to be high enough such that the 18V PSU can pull the cap voltage to 17.4V? This time between 2 shorts allowed would depend on the current limit of the PSU. \$\endgroup\$
    – sai
    Commented May 22, 2023 at 11:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ After a short, there will be atleast 3 seconds for a next short \$\endgroup\$
    – bask185
    Commented May 22, 2023 at 11:05

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If the voltage drops from 17.3 volts to 13 volts then, \$\frac{dv}{dt}\$ = 86 volts per second based on a 50 ms drop-out. Next re-arrange the standard capacitor formula: -

$$I = C\frac{dv}{dt}$$

$$C = I\frac{dt}{dv}$$

And plug in the numbers: -

$$C = 1.5\times\dfrac{1}{86}$$

Hence, the capacitance needed is 17,442 μF (call it 18 mF). Of course if the buck converter has a low-drop-out voltage and, you can live with the 12 volts dropping as low as 10 volts, the hold-up capacitor can be smaller.

And, if instead of a buck regulator you used a buck-boost regulator, you should be able to get it even lower.

But, bear in mind the assumption about the 1.5 amps. This will only be true at the instant the drop-out occurs because it will rise towards 2 amps as the input supply to the buck converter drops towards 12 volts.

I recommend that you simulate to double-check things.

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