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I need a switch for a high voltage application, say 5 kV, and I'm looking at relays. From a breakdown voltage standpoint, a contact with a 5 mm gap should be able to withstand 15 kV, which is 3x what I need, so I figure it should be fine. Yet the rated voltage of the contacts is far lower, in the 100's of volts.

Are there rules that are not directly technical in nature that mandate a manufacturer must rate a switch lower? For instance, does law or UL have guidelines that spell out how much a switch can be rated for?

I figure (perhaps naively) a factor of 5 ought to be enough to shut current off, but is that true? Does it need to be more like a factor of 20? What am I missing here?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ What do you mean by a factor of 5? How does this relate to a relay rating? \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 18:30
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    \$\begingroup\$ The switch contacts will be a lot closer together when they start to separate \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 18:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ What order of magnitude of current will it be? \$\endgroup\$
    – Theodore
    Commented Mar 20, 2023 at 14:00

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When contacts that are carrying a current are opened there will always be an arc due to the inductance of the circuit. The switch cannot be considered in isolation.

If the contacts are opened then the voltage is applied, the breakdown voltage is not necessarily of the air but of the insulating material used to mount the contacts. Depending on the mounting, the most likely path from one contact to another is along the surface of the insulating material.
Again the contacts cannot be considered in isolation.

Both the circuit and the mounting hardware must be included in the analysis of voltage breakdown.

Even though the breakdown rating is indicated for the contacts, it is really for the insulating material that has the lowest breakdown voltage: the air between the contacts or the material holding the contacts.

Update: An HV electric field can compromise the lattice structure of the insulating material throughout the volume. AC HV fields also cause heating which can vaporize chemicals near the surface leaving behind a carbon rich track. This is not caused by current, but the electric field. Jagged tracks are left on the surface of materials like plastic. If these tracks reach from contact to contact then a high current may flow. This is a voltage breakdown effect that will lower the rating

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This breakdown voltage can be considerably lower than the breakdown in the air.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I've never heard of current traveling along the surface of a dielectric. What is that phenomenon called? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 16, 2023 at 0:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ @JamesStrieter I'm not sure if it has a specific name, but I'd just call it surface leakage. cf. the concepts of creepage and tracking in high voltage design. \$\endgroup\$
    – Hearth
    Commented Mar 16, 2023 at 13:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ @JamesStrieter An HV electric field can compromise the lattice structure of the insulating material throughout the volume. AC HV fields also cause heating which can vaporize chemicals near the surface leaving behind a carbon rich track. This is not caused by current, but the electric field. Jagged tracks are left on the surface of materials like plastic. If these tracks reach from contact to contact then a high current may flow. This is a voltage breakdown effect that will lower the rating. \$\endgroup\$
    – RussellH
    Commented Mar 16, 2023 at 21:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ @RussellH That is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. Can you move this comment to your answer? I would like to accept it. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 20, 2023 at 13:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ @RussellH the difference between this and your original answer is that in this comment you cite electric field as the thing that degrades the dielectric, which can obviously happen with no current at all. That is more profound than my thought of, "Well the breakdown voltage is high enough to what's the problem?" \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 20, 2023 at 13:25
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The problem isn't the breakdown voltage. It's correct that a 5mm gap can withstand at least a couple kilovolts, but only as long as no arc has ignited yet. The actual voltage needed to sustain an arc over a distance of a few millimeters is much lower than the voltage needed to ignite it. This paper shows some typical arc voltages at high currents - note that they're on the order of 50V, not kilovolts, even with fairly large arc distances. Ionized air is a pretty good conductor.

When the relay opens, the distance between the contacts is initially very small and an arc can ignite. As the contacts depart from each other, the already-burning arc is just drawn out to become longer. Extinguishing this arc can be quite difficult, especially when higher voltages are available to sustain the arc. Most DC relays have magnetic arc extinguishing circuits for that reason.

AC relays often rely on the zero-crossing of the AC waveform to extinguish the arc. For that to work, the air between the contacts has to cool down enough around the zero-crossing point so that the arc can't continue burning during the next half-cycle of the waveform.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ If I can guarantee that current is already stopped by other means, is it okay to choose a switch solely on breakdown voltage? For instance, if I'm happy with 2x breakdown voltage, and only change the switch position when current is off, can that cause other problems or should that be alright? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 18:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ While this could theoretically work, it's not something that I'd rely on. Any dirt or debris in or on the switch (such as lubricant that's been added to it) may lower the breakdown voltage much more than you'd expect. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 19:41
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    \$\begingroup\$ @JamesStrieter If you look at HV stuff, that how a breaker and disconnector work in tandem. The first break the current to a very low level and the other makes physical separation at almost no current. \$\endgroup\$
    – winny
    Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 21:27
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Relay contacts are not just open or closed. When opening, the distance is first small and it grows to final value.

So at the voltage they are already rated for, they will still spark and arc while trying to break the current, and the distance and voltage must be such that the arc extinquishes.

Even if the relay had an off distance enough for 5kV arc to not form by itself, it would likely spark and sustain the arc.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ This is all good info but it's not clear to me how this answers the question \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 19:00
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    \$\begingroup\$ The gap needs to be high enough to extinguish an arc between contacts at the rated currents and voltages the relay is specified to operate when interrupting the specified current. It is not enough if it can just withstand the voltage without arcing or breaking contacts with no load at all. \$\endgroup\$
    – Justme
    Commented Mar 15, 2023 at 19:09

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