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given w be the pole of open loop what in the pole of the closed lop shown bellow? i have found axpression for GAIN but for the pole i am not sure. Thanks.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Is the diagram part of the original question? \$\endgroup\$
    – Chu
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 16:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes, it shown negative feedback system I need to know what is the pole in closed loop \$\endgroup\$
    – rocko445
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 17:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ is the pole within the a or the f ? If it is in the a is f a constant number ? Can a be written in the form \$\frac{k}{s+w}\$ ? \$\endgroup\$
    – AJN
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 17:12
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    \$\begingroup\$ You need to show the complete question in its original form. Currently there’s not enough information. \$\endgroup\$
    – Chu
    Commented Oct 9, 2020 at 17:24
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    \$\begingroup\$ You already have it. \$\frac{a}{1+af}\$. If you know how to write a in terms of the pole w, just plug it in to the formula. \$\endgroup\$
    – AJN
    Commented Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52

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The forward path TF, including a pole, is $$\small G_1 (s)=\frac{a}{(1+\tau s)}=\frac{a/\tau}{s+1/\tau}=\frac{a/\tau}{s+\omega_{B1}}$$

where \$\small \omega_{B1}\$ is the bandwidth.

Thus, the pole is at \$\small s=-1/\tau =-\omega_{B1}\$, the DC gain is \$a\$, and the gain-bandwidth product, is $$\small GBW= \frac{a}{\tau}$$

The closed loop TF is: $$\small G_2 (s)=\frac{a/\tau}{s+(1 +af)/\tau}=\frac{a/\tau}{s+\omega_{B2}}$$

Hence, the pole has moved to \$\small s=-(1 +af)/\tau=-\omega_{B2}\$, and the bandwidth has increased by a factor, \$\small (1+af)\$.

the DC gain is now: \$\small a/(1+af)\$, so the gain-bandwidth product remains at: \$\small GBW=\large \frac{a}{\tau}\$, as, of course, it must.

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