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This fruit is simplistic as there is a thin skin surrounding it. Inside it is a tiny ball of liquid and that is where the dense seed forms. The is seed much more denser in comparison with the liquid and the skin, you could almost neglect their presence in regards to density. So my purpose is to manipulate the wavelength of a wave such that it penetrates the skin but reflects of the seed if it is formed. Like the Rutherford gold foil experiment. I am aware of techniques such as the "Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy" but I am not an expert on this.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ To say that you want to make an IR sensor is not exactly right. You are trying to make a proximity sensor using IR. \$\endgroup\$
    – JaySabir
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 8:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ As long as the object you want to see through is transparent, you only want to detect motion (not absolute distance) and you tilt the sensor enough that it isn't blinded by the specular reflection, almost any IR led should work. If it isn't transparent, this becomes an extremely hard problem. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 13:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ My object isn't transparent and there lies the problem :) \$\endgroup\$
    – Bezal-el
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 6:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ You already asked this at. Is there a way to vary the frequency of an IR / Ultrasonic sensor? This rewrite needs to be an edit to fix the lack of clarity and specificity there. DO NOT REPOST CLOSED QUESTIONS rather edit to fix them. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 12:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ I am sorry about that, I did not know. \$\endgroup\$
    – Bezal-el
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 17:51

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You cannot realistically change the "frequency" of the infrared emitted from an infrared LED.

The wavelength is more or less a fixed range determined by the semiconductor material of the LED.

The current through the LED will probably have some (slight) influence on the the center of the range, but not enough to do anything useful. You will not vary the frequency from 300GHz to 430THz.

Think of colored LEDs. The color is determined by the semiconductor material that forms the diode junction in the light emitting diode. You can't "tune" a blue LED into a red one.

In the same way, you can't change what range of infrared wavelengths an infrared LED emits. There are infrared LEDs available that have their peak sensitivity at different wavelengths, but the differences aren't as drastic as what you seem to want.

Infrared detector diodes have similar restrictions, though not as bad as the emitter.

Infrared detectors are also often sensitive to visible light as well as infrared. You still won't get the range of wavelengths you want out of an infrared detector diode, though.


Most of the things you could use for distance detection have similar restrictions.

Ultrasound is often used to detect the distance between two objects. The emitter and detectors are usually piezoelectric crystals, though, that operate over a fairly narrow frequency range. That's the same problem you have with infrared.

Radar is another method used to detect distances. Any typical implementation will also use a particular frequency or (relatively narrow) frequency range.

Maybe you should explain what you are trying to do. There might be a common way to do it that other folks use all the time.


Now that you've explained what you are really trying to do, it seems that what need to do is something like "egg candling."

You are trying to tell if seeds are growing inside a pod.

The simplest way I can think of to do that is to just look "through" the pod with a bright light. Either by eye, or use a camera to record progress as the seeds grow.

Just hold your pod to a (very) bright light, and look through the pod for shadows.

It looks like this for an egg:

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Borrowed from the linked page on egg candling.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I think a (very) bright light and a camera are your best bet. Like how you check to see if there's a chick in an egg. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 6:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ Yes exactly like this , but where does the bright light and camera fit in ? Infrared vision is kinda out of the question as the seed shows no heat maps \$\endgroup\$
    – Bezal-el
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 6:50
  • \$\begingroup\$ Like "candling" a chicken egg. Bright light behind the pod, use the camera to record pictures of the shadows of the seeds. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 7:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ Wow i never thought of that idea, the light should be really bright. Thanks \$\endgroup\$
    – Bezal-el
    Commented Aug 4, 2020 at 7:32
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None of the components on the sensor module are relevant to frequency. Those modules have a Wheatstone bridge, transistor, and a variable resistor to change the sensitivity (distance from the object). You are entirely dependant upon the IR transducer's (that black LED) capability to detect specific part of the IR band. Secondly, the IR sensor has nothing to do with the density of an object. for Example, A glass absorbs most of IR light, and it is essentially opaque for IR.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ No Wheatstone bridge and no (single) transistor in that module. It (mis)-uses an LM358 as a comparator. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 9:17
  • \$\begingroup\$ @JRE I wasn't talking about THAT exact module. are you saying it can't be built with a Wheatstone bridge? \$\endgroup\$
    – JaySabir
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 9:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm saying I've never seen it done, and I don't know why you'd do it. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 9:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ There are many ways of doing one thing - doesn't mean others are wrong. \$\endgroup\$
    – JaySabir
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 9:32
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    \$\begingroup\$ Point to a module that uses a Wheatstone bridge in an infrared presence detector. My argument is with the assertion that "those modules have a Wheatstone bridge, transistor." "Those modules" are common and almost all look alike - and none of them use a Wheatstone bridge. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 9:40

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