Timeline for My department asks to pay back to them the compensation I have received for being a member in a grant proposal assessment committee
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| May 22, 2023 at 7:52 | comment | added | PsySp | @karl but that is the option they give me! | |
| May 21, 2023 at 22:19 | comment | added | Karl | Doing payed work for a third party during your payed vacation days is something most employers would frown upon. | |
| May 21, 2023 at 17:51 | comment | added | Marianne013 | I live in the UK and I have never heard for a university to ask for these kind of monies to be paid back, if only to avoid a collective "work to rule" event. | |
| May 21, 2023 at 8:41 | comment | added | Albert | I realize this is not helpful, but in France for instance you need a written agreement from your university before you can do any additional paid work. It makes sense to ask before and not after | |
| May 20, 2023 at 22:55 | history | edited | Greg Martin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 20, 2023 at 12:42 | comment | added | Maarten Buis | @xLeitix usually a lot is possible when it comes to compensation, but only if you discuss this before you actually accept or do the work. I think that that is the main problem the OP faces. | |
| May 20, 2023 at 12:24 | comment | added | xLeitix | @MaartenBuis I am a research manager in another such country (Sweden), and I find the notion outrageous. Let me put it like this - if a professor comes to you as a department head and says "I examined 3 doctoral dissertations for other unis this year and reviewed 10 grant proposals", do you then reduce their teaching or service load to make up for this additional effort? If you don't, you have zero leg to stand on to ask for any compensation they received for this external work. If you do, fair enough (but I don't believe you). | |
| May 20, 2023 at 9:23 | answer | added | masher | timeline score: -3 | |
| May 20, 2023 at 9:11 | comment | added | Maarten Buis | @xLeitix that depends on the circumstances. If you are from a country where the universities are only paying partial wages and they expect you to work on the side (in the summer) to make ends meet, then it makes sense that you should not pay back an honorarium. But other countries do explicitly pay living wages, with the intend to enable the employees to focus on that one job. That is really nice for the employee, but it also means the employer has now a legitimate interest in ensuring that he gets what he pays for. The Netherlands is such a country. | |
| May 20, 2023 at 8:21 | history | edited | PsySp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 20, 2023 at 4:58 | comment | added | xLeitix | I'll be honest, I am surprised about the general tone of answers here. Is this legal? Maybe. Is this common or ethical? Certainly not. I would take any request to pay back a honorarium as a clear-cut sign that this is a toxic place to work and you should get out. | |
| May 20, 2023 at 3:56 | comment | added | Wolfgang Bangerth | That's why the grant proposal committee should have given you a honorarium instead of a salary... | |
| May 19, 2023 at 22:13 | comment | added | Bergi | That does not seem unreasonable to me, the institution is funding your department and your department is paying you a salary for your work on their clock (for the department's client). Of course, this should have been clarified in advance in a contract involving the department… | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:58 | comment | added | PsySp | @Bergi, my department asks me to give them the compensation I have received from the funding institution. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:57 | comment | added | PsySp | @TimRias Yes, in the Netherlands | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:50 | comment | added | Bergi | Are they asking to give the money back to the proposal committee or to your department itself? | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:47 | comment | added | TimRias | Is the funding body also in the Netherlands? | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:38 | comment | added | PsySp | @Secretsquirrel It is a 5 days job. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:07 | comment | added | Secret squirrel | Why do you expect to be paid twice for 1 days work? Either you are paid by the Grant Committee for that day or your Dept. This would be the norm in commercial employment, thats if you weren't disciplined or fired for taking a 2nd job without the 1st employers permission. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 19:43 | answer | added | BioBrains | timeline score: 4 | |
| May 19, 2023 at 19:18 | answer | added | Especially Lime | timeline score: 11 | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:10 | history | edited | Bryan Krause♦ |
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| May 19, 2023 at 13:08 | answer | added | Pieter Naaijkens | timeline score: 24 | |
| May 19, 2023 at 10:31 | history | edited | PsySp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 19, 2023 at 10:22 | answer | added | Maarten Buis | timeline score: 18 | |
| May 19, 2023 at 8:03 | history | asked | PsySp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |