Timeline for My department asks to pay back to them the compensation I have received for being a member in a grant proposal assessment committee
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| May 20, 2023 at 7:34 | comment | added | Maarten Buis | @PsySp or just discuss any work with compensation you may receive with your department before accepting that work. Often there are ways to let you keep some or all of that or compensate you in some other way (maybe not a reduction in teaching load, but assigning courses that are easier or less work to teach, or putting you in committees that are less work, or increasing your travel fund, or ...). But such a discussion is only possible before you accept that work. | |
| May 20, 2023 at 2:12 | comment | added | justhalf | @PsySp the resolution could also be to do such activity but inform them of this potential issue. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 21:59 | comment | added | PsySp | @Servaes Agreed. It is just it could never cross my mind that they would ask the compensation back. Now that's a great incentive to never again do such an activity in the future. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 18:01 | comment | added | Servaes | Of course it is a rather messy situation that is unsatisfactory for both you and your employer. The correct course of action would have been to inform your employer before accepting the invitation, as your contract (or CAO) explicitly states you should do. Then your employer can decide whether you can do this during your regular working hours, or whether you should take vacation days or unpaid leave to do this paid work for a third party. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:35 | comment | added | Servaes | @PsySP That still doesn't make it their problem. You have entered a contract with your employer. It is on you and your employer to uphold it. Not any third party. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:31 | comment | added | PsySp | @Servaes everybody working on a Dutch university has a contract that falls under the Collective Labor Agreement. So, they do know my contractual obligations (the individual differences do not matter in this particular situation) | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:26 | comment | added | Servaes | @PsySP They don't know your contractual obligations to your department. They want you to serve on a panel, so they ask you. If that somehow conflicts with your contractual obligations, then that is for you to sort out. Or at the least, for you to inform them of and ask to handle. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:25 | comment | added | PsySp | @user253751 What? Of course they know my department, it is a national funding body and they want a diverse (from multiple institutions) panel. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 17:10 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Supports Israel | @PsySp They don't know your department, they know you. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 15:46 | comment | added | Thomas Schwarz | In the US, most faculty is on a 9 months contract (but with the annual pay stretched over 12 months). Sometimes their contract allows them one day a week of for paid activities related to their scholarship, such as consulting or working for a company. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 13:22 | history | edited | GoodDeeds | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 19, 2023 at 12:21 | comment | added | Bryan Krause♦ | @PsySp Not sure how it works where you are, but in the US it's common that faculty are responsible for finding money for some fraction of their time, usually through grants. There may be options to make up shortfalls with extra teaching, or you might just need to go with less pay. So, taking up an assignment like this covers part of that salary you need to cover. But, if the institution is already paying you to do something with that time, they're not going to be happy if do something else to get paid again. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 12:15 | comment | added | Maarten Buis | I am not your department head. It does not matter if you convince me or not. What matters is that your department head thinks that (s)he has the right, or even duty, to ask that money back. The right way of responding to that is something you need to discuss with a lawyer, if you want the confrontation. Alternatively, you can just pay up and be extra careful next time "paid" opportunities arise. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 11:53 | comment | added | PsySp | @ThomasSchwarz Why double dip? Then why the funding body offers a compensation? They can directly pay to the department and avoid the misleading part about personal compensation. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 11:22 | comment | added | Thomas Schwarz | The department wants OP to be a member of a scientific community, and that includes being on a panel. The department already paid for you activities and would not like the OP to double-dip. But OP might want to deduct any additional costs from the compensation package before reimbursement. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 10:33 | comment | added | PsySp | Thank you. However, it still does not make sense to me for the following reasons: there is no such clause on my contract/agreement and there is no such written relevant rule afaik. Second, this is academic work, pretty much like reviewing a paper and, again afaik, every kind of academic work is included on my contract. It is not a freelance work like private lessons or working on a youtube channel. | |
| May 19, 2023 at 10:22 | history | answered | Maarten Buis | CC BY-SA 4.0 |