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I've read that it's fairly common for the first hop or two of a traceroute to only return timed out, as the ISP servers refuse all pings; what does it mean if only some of those pings are dropped/refused? Specifically, here's what I mean:

    Tracing route to superuser.com [151.101.1.69]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2     *        *       14 ms  cblmdm170-253-252-1.maxxsouthbb.net [170.253.252.1]
  3    11 ms    10 ms    12 ms  core-sw5-stk-xe-1-0-5.maxxsouthbb.net [24.213.111.77]
  4     8 ms    11 ms    10 ms  core-mx1-stk-ae1.maxxsouthbb.net [24.245.114.1]
  5    28 ms    29 ms    27 ms  h97.231.134.40.static.ip.windstream.net [40.134.231.97]
  6    33 ms    29 ms    29 ms  et3-0-0-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net [40.134.225.108]
  7    32 ms    30 ms    30 ms  ae-21.r01.dllstx04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.17]
  8    30 ms    31 ms    29 ms  ae-0.fastly.dllstx04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [130.94.195.58]
  9    34 ms    32 ms    26 ms  151.101.1.69

Tracing route to superuser.com [151.101.1.69]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2     *       13 ms     9 ms  cblmdm170-253-252-1.maxxsouthbb.net [170.253.252.1]
  3    11 ms    11 ms    12 ms  core-sw5-stk-xe-1-0-5.maxxsouthbb.net [24.213.111.77]
  4    11 ms    10 ms    11 ms  core-mx1-stk-ae1.maxxsouthbb.net [24.245.114.1]
  5    31 ms    33 ms    31 ms  h97.231.134.40.static.ip.windstream.net [40.134.231.97]
  6    31 ms    31 ms    32 ms  et3-0-0-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net [40.134.225.108]
  7    31 ms    32 ms    31 ms  ae-21.r01.dllstx04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.17]
  8    27 ms    30 ms    31 ms  ae-1.fastly.dllstx04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [130.94.195.62]
  9    31 ms    28 ms    28 ms  151.101.1.69

Anywhere between none of the three or all of the three pings make it back -- it seems to be pretty random.

I'm connected to the internet through wired directly through my modem in an apartment complex. I noticed that the second hop that's dropping these pings has the hostname "cblmdm" and has an IP similar to my external IP -- is that my modem, or is it probably just a switch/modem elsewhere in the apartment building?

Is it just a result of the way that their server's set up? Problems with my modem? Packet loss? Sorry, I'm new to interpreting traceroutes -- mostly, I'm concerned with whether it's benign or symptomatic of other issues with the network, as I have experienced packet loss issues on this network for quite a while. Thanks!

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  • Run pathping instead of tracert to get a better picture of where any packet loss may be occurring.
    – DavidPostill
    Commented Feb 17, 2017 at 10:42

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ICMP packets (such as ping's echo request and echo reply) have a lower priority than TCP and UDP. Generally, if a router is overloaded, it will drop ICMP packets so it can process more TCP and UDP packets.

This is just a general observation and may not be what's happening in this specific instance.

If all packets were being dropped consistently the. One could assume that the router's configured to always drop ICMP.

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  • It's not really that they have lower priority (some ISPs even do the opposite in order to make the traceroute numbers look prettier), it's that packets the router merely forwards are handled by the very fast data plane, but packets the router has to react to (including generation of traceroute's ICMP TTL Exceeded) are done by the router's slow CPU. Commented Feb 17, 2017 at 5:53
  • Good point. I was going for simple and not overly complicating it.
    – Greg W
    Commented Feb 17, 2017 at 5:54
  • I think you are correct -- after running PingPlotter tests and contacting my ISP, it seems like that's the case. The packet loss to that first hop when testing faraway domain names is huge (upwards of 70%) but packet loss to the destination was negligible. When that lossy second hop was set as the destination, though, it didn't drop any packets.
    – cheem
    Commented Feb 24, 2017 at 2:01

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