Timeline for Is there a modern browser that runs on Windows 3.1? [closed]
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| Dec 31, 2018 at 2:20 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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| Dec 31, 2018 at 2:02 | history | edited | Chad Harrison | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Rewording question to meet QA of super user
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| Dec 29, 2018 at 12:55 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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| Dec 29, 2018 at 12:52 | history | closed |
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| Dec 29, 2018 at 10:49 | comment | added | Rajesh Sinha | It would be harsh to CLOSE this post since got tremendous response both the Question and Answer!! ☺ | |
| Dec 27, 2018 at 18:30 | review | Close votes | |||
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| May 14, 2012 at 8:41 | history | protected | Ivo Flipse | ||
| May 14, 2012 at 7:15 | answer | added | Lori | timeline score: 4 | |
| May 14, 2012 at 2:38 | answer | added | Joe | timeline score: 1 | |
| May 14, 2012 at 1:12 | answer | added | Martin Hock | timeline score: 3 | |
| May 14, 2012 at 0:53 | answer | added | MK01 | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 12, 2012 at 19:44 | answer | added | calenti | timeline score: 39 | |
| May 12, 2012 at 16:38 | answer | added | Roger Dahl | timeline score: 76 | |
| May 12, 2012 at 12:07 | comment | added | Daniel R Hicks | Mount an iPad next to the unit's regular display. Or one of the computers with built-in screen (or vice-versa) such as those seen often in Dr's offices here in the US. | |
| May 12, 2012 at 11:04 | answer | added | NotGaeL | timeline score: 3 | |
| May 11, 2012 at 23:19 | comment | added | Daenyth | I would honestly consider finding another place to work before your management's shoddy approach causes someone to get injured when this crazy setup inevitably breaks. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 20:53 | comment | added | tewha | I voted this up because either your life sucks or you've done a terrific job entertaining me. Either way, it's wroth an uptick. :) | |
| May 11, 2012 at 20:04 | comment | added | Joshua Drake | @hydroparadise I am saying that heavily relying on past numbers when projects are known to vary widely is a very poor practice indeed. That said, I cannot think of any situation where wrong data is better than no data. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 20:02 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | @JoshuaDrake Are you saying no data is better than some data when doing projections? We aren't talking widgets here. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 19:50 | comment | added | Joshua Drake |
@hydroparadise the numbers that get tracked help with estimating efforts for future projects... but the projects vary greatly in scope numbers collected are relied on heavily, the first two negate the last one.
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| May 11, 2012 at 19:22 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | Well, the numbers that get tracked help with estimating efforts for future projects. They see it as necessary overhead. Not exactly value added, but the pojects vary greatly in scope so numbers collected are rellied on heavily. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 18:53 | comment | added | Charles Boyung | And while we're at it, by definition, wouldn't requiring time to be tracked be something that should be eliminated if you are doing "lean manufacturing". Tracking employees' time really doesn't create value for the customer... | |
| May 11, 2012 at 18:51 | comment | added | Charles Boyung | I would say @Mokubai is 100% correct here. You've already probably spent more of their money (in the terms of the cost of your time) discussing this issue here than the cost of buying a cheap desktop to use for your time app. You can buy a modern computer for $250 (maybe even less) nowadays. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 16:39 | comment | added | Mokubai♦ | If management have asked this in the name of "lean manufacturing" then simply tell them that the cost of making this work far outstrips the cost of using another more appropriate machine to do the timekeeping job. Trying to use a spanner to hammer a nail isn't lean manufacturing, it's stupid manufacturing. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 16:37 | comment | added | Sam Skuce | Why can't you use a different computer to log into the timecard application? | |
| May 11, 2012 at 16:26 | history | edited | Chad Harrison | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Added info about the software.
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| May 11, 2012 at 16:26 | comment | added | Joshua Drake | Make the timeclock use simple HTML and JavaScript. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 15:45 | comment | added | grawity_u1686 | @Yamikuronue: Luckily, the timestamps used by MS-DOS go up to year 2107. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 15:36 | comment | added | Tony Stewart EE75 | @hydroparadise Maybe you elaborate on the code used by ""login" or "punch" Can you simply use another computer to slave to the said BANDSAW terminal using 3.1 compatible "Remote Desktop" Is this the Mebor sawmill for Cheminis ? youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tw4l7BsD0cw | |
| May 11, 2012 at 15:32 | comment | added | Clement Herreman | @Yamikuronue the server might be on 64bits, that's not relevant | |
| May 11, 2012 at 14:37 | comment | added | jokoon | I thought the question was "do you know a browser than runs windows 3.1 ?". | |
| May 11, 2012 at 14:11 | comment | added | Yamikuronue | By 2038, none of this will matter because you'll overflow signed unix timestamps on 32bit systems. Good luck entering your timesheet then! | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:51 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | "20 years for OS is like 50 for a car"? <- Awesome analogy. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:44 | comment | added | Lukasz Madon | @hydroparadise Why don't make a descent comparison and show it to management(with good analogy like "20 years for OS is like 50 for a car"? Take into account the risk. What is the risk of failure(pretty high when you add not-supported functionality to this OS)? What is the cost if production stops and the company cannot fulfill the contracts and lose customers? What is the cost of your and others time that you have to spent upgrading it(you have out-of the-box browsers in other OSes)?New device use less power and produce more usually. Very often companies stop making spare parts after 25 years | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:27 | comment | added | woliveirajr | Just consider that you don't have a computer with a bandsaw attached to it. You have a bandsaw and some things that are used to control it, including a Win 3.1 computer. It's not "yours computer", it's the bandsaw controller. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:13 | vote | accept | Chad Harrison | ||
| May 11, 2012 at 13:11 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | Management has asked about this in the name of lean manufacturing. I didn't say I agreed with it. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:06 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | @lukas I don't think so. Have you ever had to put one these things into production? You have to account for TOTAL cost of ownership which includes shipping, setup, support, and time. All the sudden the the new $150,000 saw costs $200,000 before its even used. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 13:04 | comment | added | Zelda | lean manufacturing Yeah, this has to be trolling | |
| May 11, 2012 at 12:40 | comment | added | Lukasz Madon | The cost of supporting this machine is higher that buying a new one. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 10:52 | comment | added | Teekin | I still upvoted the question because it's kind of interesting, if only for curiosity's sake. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 10:52 | comment | added | Teekin | I would tell the owner of the computer and bandsaw that there is complete consensus on this being completely insane. NO ONE in here would recommend this approach, clearly not even yourself. If they want their expensive bandsaw to operate in a safe manner, then they'll have to upgrade. If they won't pay for an upgrade, then they're saving money on safety. In short; if these are the requirements, then their requirements will cost money. It's just that simple. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 10:35 | answer | added | Tometzky | timeline score: 13 | |
| May 11, 2012 at 8:32 | comment | added | tombull89 | "modern" and "Windows 3.1" do not go in the same sentance, IMO. Time to spend some money - if the machine is that valauble doing that amount of work then surely the higher-ups would let some money go? | |
| May 11, 2012 at 3:05 | comment | added | detly | @hydroparadise - another option is to try to run it under Wine on a Linux machine. | |
| May 11, 2012 at 2:09 | answer | added | leye0 | timeline score: 16 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 23:23 | answer | added | rob | timeline score: 22 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 23:09 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackSuper_User/status/200724346434629634 | ||
| May 10, 2012 at 23:04 | comment | added | Ronald | The computer running 3.1 is also the controller for $150,000 bandsaw made in Germany, so don't preserve its state for the necessary bandsaw operation and don't run new software on it. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 22:26 | answer | added | Rich Homolka | timeline score: 207 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:44 | comment | added | Moab | There has to be a way, hell they put a man on the moon in 69. Sounds like a coding project for someone. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:43 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | @C-dizzle What ever you built your application still depends on the runtime library that is supported by the OS. If was built on a 32-bit OS, its a no-go. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:42 | answer | added | Gurken Papst | timeline score: 107 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:42 | answer | added | Oliver Salzburg | timeline score: 6 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:41 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | Imaging would be a great idea if I could find hardware that would support it. I'm not talking about the machinery, I mean just the computer components. Also, I have not been successful in virtualization with windows 3.1 because it doesn't support the virtuallize hardware. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:41 | comment | added | C-dizzle | I designed my own web browser using VB, maybe it would work! :) | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:36 | comment | added | Darius | You can get older IE from OldApps. I also second Moab to image the drive for testing purposes. I know that the earliest version of IE that supports CSS is 3.02 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:35 | comment | added | Moab | IE browser archive...browsers.evolt.org/?dir=archive/ie/win16 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:32 | comment | added | Chad Harrison | @OliverSalzburg Two words: Lean manufacturing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_manufacturing | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:32 | comment | added | C-dizzle | I think IE 5.0 is the latest version that will actually run on Windows 3.1 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:32 | answer | added | Renan | timeline score: 3 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:31 | history | edited | Chad Harrison | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
grammar correction
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| May 10, 2012 at 21:29 | comment | added | Oliver Salzburg | The real question is why anyone would use the bandsaw controller to log into your time tracking platform. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:29 | comment | added | Renan | @Moab that's a good idea, too | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:29 | comment | added | Moab | @Renan Image the hard drive to another hard drive to experiment with, not a big deal if you know what you are doing. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:28 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| May 10, 2012 at 21:27 | comment | added | Renan | @Moab not a good idea to upgrade if the computer is being used to control equipment. That computer is better left alone (and unnetworked if possible). | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:27 | comment | added | Moab | Upgrade 3.1 to XP...winrumors.com/… | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:23 | comment | added | kobaltz | You may want to look into a physical clock. They have biometric finger/hand scanners, swipe cards, prox cards. A lot of clocks are wireless and can be integrated with time and attendance softwares. Some also carry the capability of bell timers, door entry, accrual balances, schedules and time restrictions. Probably better to do this than open up this computer with outdated security software to the web. | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:21 | answer | added | wizlog | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 10, 2012 at 21:16 | history | asked | Chad Harrison | CC BY-SA 3.0 |