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Archetypes. Bonus scenes: Cramming it all into the character limit meant some stuff was left out. Still, somehow, this has become one of my more widely read contributions to this platform (see comments). So, bonus round 🎁: a personal note, an additional complaint, a practical takeaway, and a funny AI twist (see image). a. “The Hero & The Outlaw” came out the year I joined my first brand consultancy (Siegel & Gale, twilight of the dotcom years). Maybe that's why I've developed a bit of a history with them. 😅 But I want to emphasise that for all my love of meta-reflecting on LinkedIn, people who work with me will tell you that I’m a creative-first strategist and pragmatist. Working for clients, I'm opinionated but rarely dogmatic about marketing science or any particular model/framework. I’m all about the ideas, the creative and artistic side of the discipline, and I love a good meaning system (e.g. in my free time, I even dabble with Tarot 🤓). I'm all for borrowing ideas from other disciplines, just not like this. b. Nowhere are the shortcomings of Archetypes more present than in some of the research tools, models, and approaches still sold by major research companies. I’ve personally engaged with those models for some of the biggest consumer brands in the world. I tried warning clients to little effect. That’s what’s out there. Clients understand it, so they like it, so research agencies keep selling it, despite knowing it's worthless in many cases. So clients keep buying it. And creative agencies play along. 😭 c. Do/Don't (yeah, this could be a carousel, but there's a limit to how much I'll pander to the algorithm). Don’t: Never use them for what they can’t do. And that’s pretty much everything that isn’t preliminary brand personality exploration.   Do: When you use them as your starting point, remember — you have a whole universe of tonality and narrative tropes if you want to explore personality. So go beyond and stay closer to market dynamics. d. The first archetype-led project I worked on was for one of the world's biggest yoghurt brands. It used the once-blockbuster Censydiam segmentation approach to define need states. We were supposed to redefine the brands accordingly. (Censydiam was later acquired by Synovate --> ipsos. And shares a lot with TNS --> Kantar's Needscope). So in memory of my misspent youth, here's an impressive and hilarious take from ChatGPT on yoghurt archetypes. The Ruler is my favourite. What's yours?

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Uri Baruchin

Strategy & Brand Consulting | D&AD Masterclass Trainer

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Ben Doepke

Principal at IX, Foundational Brand Strategy

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Uri, I actually can’t wait for our meeting next week. 1. Clients (nearly all?) don’t understand archetypes (at all?). Same for agencies. 2. Archetypes cannot be used. They are not a tool or a framework or a model. People who sell tools, frameworks, or models are not selling archetypes; in such cases, the archetype itself is having its way with them. 3. A dubious grasp of archetypal activity is revealed most clearly by the fitting omission of the shadow. 4. You tell me where nature and its patterns start and stop! Then we can step back and see what nature has to say about it. Upstream and downstream are archetypal expressions unto themselves! I say all this with utmost respect for and deference to your experience as a strategist; my sincere hope is that more of us —especially those working at scale—might come to understand, recognize, and work with the archetypal influence living through all of us, all of the time, in work and beyond.

Renata Varga

Strategy Designer, Brand Strategist, Coach, University Lecturer

1y

Love that even AI emphasises that these should only serve as starting points... 😅

David Bardell ⚡️

Powerful creativity that helps ANY marketer grow their brand. CD at BardellPearce | Dull-proof creativity applied to: Branding | Marketing Campaigns | Strategy | Design | Advertising

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Love the way it has repeated Everyman and Sage as two of them because it also just recognises it as a bit meh

Håkon Smith

Extracting raw brand essence.

1y

Great archetype points again, Uri! My favourite: "The Sage: a cultured youghurt" 👌

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