Science Fiction Films discussion
Alien (all films) (Ridley Scott, 1979)
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I enjoy ALIEN and have always struggled with its genre classification: is it science fiction or horror?
![Manuel | 144 comments](https://cdn.statically.io/img/images.gr-assets.com/users/1216930773p1/1008237.jpg)
Its been years since I saw it. I remember I was totally memsmerized by the whole "look" of the movie. None of the slick, white, smooth surfaces of the Death Star or U.S.S Enterprise. The movie reminded me of a greasy, noisey gritty place to work and live, like a huge factory or truck-stop in space. People not caring about the mysteries of space travel, just wanting to get paid and go home.
Question:
When they are exploring the alien spaceship on the planet, they come across a skelital sentinal, apparently dead at its post.
Is this a victim of the "alien" creatures or is he one of their species?
My coworkers keep saying he is one of the creatures, I say his ship was probably infested with the aliens.
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I often wondered if Scott had seen Tarkovsky's SOLARIS. The way the NOSTROMO is shown to be a place where people actually live, with clutter and photos and little nodding glass bird toys, as opposed to a sanitized piece of futuristic set design, always reminds me of the similar ideas in SOLARIS. Those messy hallways with laundry and clutter in the Space Station orbiting Solaris are pretty much unprecedented, aren't they?
Manuel, I know what you're talking about. I've always gathered that the figure in the alien ship was a victim of the Alien creatures, after all there is a hole in it, suggesting that it was a victim of the Alien's unusual reproductive processes. Hard to tell for sure though.
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nice comparison on the state of ships in solyaris and alien, tom. this next comment refers to another aspect: from the interviews with tarkovsky that i read, he really wanted a different environment on board his ship than the sanitized world you get in 2001. AND, it reads a lot more soviet, with all the loose wires draped about...the seams show, but in a good way.
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I've seen the Director's Cut but I didn't think it really added anything new to the story. It does look fantastic remastered even on DVD but it's been a few years since I last watched. I have to admitt my reaction to Ripley looking for her cat still kinda makes me roll my eyes...it's a cheap setup that could have been written in a more dramatic way. And why does every freakin' spaceship in a science fiction story have a self-destruct mechanism? Does that really make any sense? In 2001, the ship had a fail-safe that allowed Dave to manually disconnect the computer in case of a fault, however unlikely. To me, that makes sense. And these aren't ships launched from Earth over populated areas, they were probably built in space stations (like Enterprise). Anyway, just my "two sense".
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It's almost a shame they had to make any sequels. Don't get me wrong, I like Aliens and I'm on the fence for 3 and 4, parts were good, parts weren't so good, but the mood was entirely different, and I don't think anything was really added to the "myth." Alien is a claustrophic, scary, self-contained story about an isolated crew facing something totally beyond their experience.
I saw the Director's Cut several months ago and frankly found the theatrical version better.
PS - I read and reread Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the movie when I was a kid; anyone else willing to 'fess up :-)
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As for what genre hole we should pound this peg into, it's largely immaterial to me. It certainly has aspects of both horror and sci-fi, and I'm pleased to leave it at that.
I agree with Tom, this is one of Ian Holm's best roles.But it has a pretty fine cast all around. Certainly, Yaphet Koto, Tom Skerrit, John Hurt, and Harry Dean Stanton are all worthy of mention.
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Likewise ALIEN 3. Saw it when it was released, barely remember it, no particular interest in seeing it again. My increased respect for David Fincher (after the unexpected triumph of ZODIAC) might lead me to seek it out again to see if I missed anything the first time.
I have only seen the first two and must admit the second one is fairly standard Hollywood entertainment...though it is the second most quoted movie during our gaming sessions:)
Monty Python's Holy Grail being the first.
Monty Python's Holy Grail being the first.
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I haven't seen any of these movies in years, but the original is definitely the best of them.
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I never really felt I missed anything. Reading all your comments about the sequals has been interesting.
Still not sure if I want to see the last films in the sequence though.
Biologically, I always thought the "Alien" creatures must have had a very tenuous hold on evolution.
It doesnt really make too much sense to go from the egg form (face hugger) to needing a host for the final transformation into becoming a true "Alien".
I would imagine the "Queen" alien would eventually produce more eggs than there would be hosts for the incubation period. In other words, the need for new hosts would eventually exhaust the supply of living creatures for the aliens to use for incubation-transformation.
Another thing to think about is that the final "Alien" form is determined by the DNA of the host being used in the incubation-transformation period.
My point is, that without any living hosts, the Alien becomes extinct. I think this leaves it in a very vulerable position for its evolution.
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But that's ok... I came to terms with being a sentimental sap ages ago. :)
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Angie, I haven't seen all of AVP. I've seen bits and pieces, so I will have to rent it one day. I love Predator though. I swear my cats try to imitate the clicky-growly noise the predator makes every time they see birds, haha!
(And... Let me just say that I am hating this scrolling to the bottom to reply thing!)
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The second one was worth watching but overall, it was sorta...eh.
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But I actually saw Alien vs Predator. I didnt expect much, and was pleasantly surprised I was entertained for 90 minutes.
Something to watch on a late late Saturday night.
It was a ridiculous premise for a movie and more of an ideal vehicle to appeal to teenaged boys. Yet it still worked.
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Manuel,
I watched 'Alien' with Scotts commentary last night and he says some interesting things about the other creatures.
He imagined that they were a military unit of some kind transporting the 'alien' pods to their home world in order to be used as weapons.
He also says that he imagines an accident of some sort occured on the ship and one (or more) of the pods hatched causing the crash.
The blue mist that hovered over the pods acted as a kind of placenta so once John Hurt stepped through it he was always 'doomed'!
Interesting thoughts re: the evolution but if Scotts thoughts are to be followed and agreed upon (and I know this point is very far fetched and needless) maybe the evolution was altered, especially if the alien creatures had been used as weapons for a long time?
Anyway, I recommend the directors commentary...loads more of that sort of thing!
I watched 'Alien' with Scotts commentary last night and he says some interesting things about the other creatures.
He imagined that they were a military unit of some kind transporting the 'alien' pods to their home world in order to be used as weapons.
He also says that he imagines an accident of some sort occured on the ship and one (or more) of the pods hatched causing the crash.
The blue mist that hovered over the pods acted as a kind of placenta so once John Hurt stepped through it he was always 'doomed'!
Interesting thoughts re: the evolution but if Scotts thoughts are to be followed and agreed upon (and I know this point is very far fetched and needless) maybe the evolution was altered, especially if the alien creatures had been used as weapons for a long time?
Anyway, I recommend the directors commentary...loads more of that sort of thing!
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That does explain some of the weird biology and evolution theory about those creatures
The second movie is a good movie too. The forth movie shouldn't have been made! But I love this series anyways.