Timeline for How to avoid boats on a mainly oceanic world?
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| Dec 4, 2020 at 1:37 | history | protected | Monty Wild♦ | ||
| Dec 3, 2020 at 23:49 | answer | added | Russell McMahon | timeline score: 0 | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 21:23 | answer | added | TysonDennis | timeline score: 0 | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 20:06 | answer | added | bta | timeline score: 1 | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 17:20 | comment | added | RonJohn | @EiríkrÚtlendi there are so many exceptions to "boats don't purposefully go out into blue water" that it took some time for me to decide on "you typically don't use boats" to sail out into blue water. Because... you don't. Those Inuit around Scotland were RARE, and crossing the ocean in a rowboat is even rarer and more of a stunt. Definitely these are cases of the exceptions proving the rule. | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 16:49 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | @RonJohn, ya, apologies for the confusion. The OP that you quote talks about “boats”, and I misunderstood that you were just being loose with your terminology. FWIW, there are cases of Inuit reaching the British Isles in kayaks, likely the source of the selkie myth. One such account: orkneyjar.com/folklore/selkiefolk/origins/origin5.htm And there are the folks who have crossed oceans in rowboats. Bigger ships make ocean travel easier, but smaller boats can still do it. | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 11:44 | comment | added | RonJohn | @EiríkrÚtlendi I specifically mentioned ships, because you typically don't use boats to sail out into "blue water". | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 5:30 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | @RonJohn, even in the interior of North America, boats were an important mode of travel. Many (most?) important settlements were along rivers. It’s a lot easier to float loads of goods, than it is to drag or carry. Wagons are great, but you need roads. Rivers already are the roads. :) | |
| Dec 3, 2020 at 3:58 | comment | added | RonJohn | "On an Earth-like planet with clustered continents and large oceans, like Pangaea, the easiest method of travel would be boats." Why use ships when there's one giant continent? | |
| Dec 2, 2020 at 20:47 | comment | added | Eiríkr Útlendi | Boats are older than Homo sapiens. Homo erectus was a sailor. theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/20/… | |
| Dec 2, 2020 at 15:50 | answer | added | Cyrus | timeline score: 3 | |
| Dec 2, 2020 at 0:32 | vote | accept | Mandelbrot | ||
| Dec 1, 2020 at 23:10 | answer | added | Daniel Gibby | timeline score: 0 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 18:07 | comment | added | Mad Physicist | Also, if you have pangea, why do you need a boat? everything is within walking distance... | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 17:10 | comment | added | user_1818839 | Why on earth would anyone wish to avoid boats? Does not compute.... and Ratty agrees. "There is nothing in life, half so much worth doing, as simply ... messing about in boats" | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 15:17 | comment | added | Jyrki Lahtonen | Would you be happy with no ocean-worthy ships? A thought I got that may be your planet lacks a magnetic field making navigation too difficult when out of sight of land. There are substitutes to compasses, but.. Hmm. Not sure that's good enough :-( | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 11:57 | answer | added | RedSonja | timeline score: 9 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 10:49 | answer | added | Eric | timeline score: 0 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 8:03 | answer | added | Michael | timeline score: 5 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 6:00 | history | notice removed | L.Dutch♦ | ||
| Dec 1, 2020 at 5:42 | answer | added | PcMan | timeline score: 54 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 4:14 | answer | added | N. Virgo | timeline score: 31 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 4:12 | answer | added | Dewi Morgan | timeline score: 7 | |
| Dec 1, 2020 at 4:02 | answer | added | N. Virgo | timeline score: 12 | |
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| Nov 30, 2020 at 23:51 | answer | added | Karl | timeline score: 2 | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 22:16 | vote | accept | Mandelbrot | ||
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| Nov 30, 2020 at 22:13 | history | edited | Mandelbrot |
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| Nov 30, 2020 at 22:09 | answer | added | Kpistrano | timeline score: 1 | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 21:52 | comment | added | Li Jun | what about raft? and what transportation they use to travel sea then? i think that would help to eradicate the use of boat, if they have preferable/superior transportation in the first place. | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:51 | comment | added | Trish | @AlexP 240 miles from Tanegashima to Okinawa island, the central of the Kingdom of Okinawa, who's king was subordinate of the Setsuma. 300 from Kagoshima. | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:42 | comment | added | AlexP | @Trish: Well, everybody had some fishing boats and did a little trade. The point is that they never ventured far; Japan to Korea is only about 100 miles. (I don't know of any example of absolute avoidance of the sea: that's why I just posted a comment instead of answering the question.) | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:34 | comment | added | Trish | @AlexP the Japanese developed ample sea tradition as fishermen, and till the 1600s had some rather large navies! It was the invasion of Korea that ended with them lacking in a navy for 250 years. | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:28 | comment | added | AlexP | Lots of nations inhabited lands with access to the sea. Some of those nations (the Greeks, the English, the French, the Dutch etc.) went to sea, and developed large efficient trade networks. Other nations, although they had ample access to the sea, did not. The Persians, the Indians, the Japanese developed sophisticated civilizations, but, although they had easy access to the sea, never ventured far from home and never used the sea as a way of communication. In the Classical World, there was a lot of trade between India and Europe: and all of it was carried in Greek ships, not in Indian ships. | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:20 | answer | added | rek | timeline score: 17 | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:11 | answer | added | L.Dutch♦ | timeline score: 23 | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 20:02 | history | notice added | L.Dutch♦ | Hard Science | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 19:54 | comment | added | Trish | Human technology using more than knapped stones and bones (e.g. Brick) is only about 5-6000 years old! | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 19:49 | comment | added | AlexP | The entire history of human civilization spans less than 7,000 years. There weren't even any anatomically modern humans 500,000 years ago... Moreover, asking about a society "similar to Ancient Greece" except without ships is like asking about a society similar to the USA, except landlocked, surrounded by powerful enemies and ruled by a hereditary theocracy: the essence of Ancient Greece was seaborne trade. Romanian ditty: "Furthermode, the story seeks to expand upon the Greeks; and it's obvious to see that the Greeks trade on the sea". | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 19:47 | comment | added | rek | The hard-science tag may be too limiting for this question, as I expect it will be difficult to cite papers/etc that would apply to your scenario. Perhaps science-based would be better. | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 19:42 | history | edited | Mandelbrot | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Nov 30, 2020 at 19:21 | comment | added | JBH | Five Hundred Thousand Years? 99.99% of all human technology was invented in the last 150 years. And you want something that will remain for 500,000 years? What angry god is restricting your population's natural curiosity and inclination to solve problems? I know this isn't really intrinsic to your question ... but are you sure? That's so unrealistic it might cause cancer. 😁 | |
| Nov 30, 2020 at 18:51 | history | asked | Mandelbrot | CC BY-SA 4.0 |