Timeline for What does "salaried" vs. "hourly" mean in a European (?) context?
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| Apr 5, 2023 at 13:07 | comment | added | cbeleites | @Steve: See my comment to Mark Rotteveel. This is post-Brexit EU, and it is also not directly in the directive but there are ECJ and BAG (for Germany) court decisions that say it follows from (long list of legislation, ranging from labour directive to human rights). | |
| Apr 5, 2023 at 13:02 | comment | added | cbeleites | @MarkRotteveel: Germany has been reluctant to update their labour law according to the ECJ decistion, but there's German court decision since last year (bundesarbeitsgericht.de/entscheidung/1-abr-22-21) that spells out that there must be a system to record start and end of work, and thus duration in an objective, reliable and accessible manner. | |
| Apr 5, 2023 at 10:43 | comment | added | Mark Rotteveel | @cbeleitesunhappywithSX Citation needed. AFAIK, the EU working time directive does not require keeping of timesheets. I work and live in the Netherlands, and at my current employer I don't need to fill out timesheets (except one that is used to claim certain government subsidies for innovation). At my two previous employers I only had to fill out timesheets because that was used to bill our customers. Maybe a specific country has added the requirement to their law implementing the EU directive, but that doesn't mean this applies in the entire EU. | |
| Apr 5, 2023 at 7:56 | comment | added | Steve | @cbeleitesunhappywithSX, also with regard to timesheets, I've also left a remark on my own answer where you made the same comment. I don't believe employers in the UK are compelled to keep timesheets, they're only compelled to ensure staff don't exceed 48 hours a week (which for the average staffer, would be 10 hours overtime every week). Perhaps some employers hitch their monitoring to the building access control systems, but it's relatively unusual for salaried staff to have to complete any kind of explicit timesheet. | |
| Apr 5, 2023 at 7:49 | comment | added | Steve | @cbeleitesunhappywithSX, here in the UK, the compulsions on employers are weaker. "At-will" employment has been outlawed in the UK since 1964 (when minimum notice periods after a month's service were introduced), but there remains a category of agency worker with ill-defined rights (and who most closely resemble the pre-1964 hourly employee). Today, an "hourly paid worker" who is a permanent employee, will typically be categorised as such because they are entitled to paid overtime, or because there is some variability about their working hours and pay. It definitely doesn't mean self-employed. | |
| Apr 4, 2023 at 19:07 | comment | added | cbeleites | @Steve: also, in the EU timesheets must be kept now for almost all salaried employees. | |
| Apr 4, 2023 at 18:58 | comment | added | cbeleites | I'd suggest to clarify the answer: @Steve, hourly contracts are legally possible only for self-employed/freelance workers or business owners in Germany. Employees have the right (by labour law) to have a weekly or monthly number of working hours and also either the hourly wage or the monthly salary given in the working contract. | |
| Apr 4, 2023 at 17:55 | comment | added | Steve | An "hourly paid" worker is not self-employed. Hourly paid simply means the payroll is based on hours actually worked - in other words, there is some kind of timesheet kept for the purposes of calculating pay. | |
| Apr 3, 2023 at 10:00 | history | answered | quarague | CC BY-SA 4.0 |