Timeline for What is the right approach to quit a job during probation period for a competing offer?
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| Jul 11, 2019 at 15:20 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Demonblack I agree, both companies have red flags for me (current company moreso), but people have to eat. | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 14:53 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton: now this is much more of a red flag to me. OP's current company is calling OP "unethical" for leaving, which tells me that they are the ones who aren't willing to pay him what he's worth, instead trying to psychologically pressure him into staying out of some misplaced and unwarranted sense of loyalty. Sorry bossman, but I'm here for the money, not for the glory, especially because in most jobs there is none. You're not employing me to do me a favor, you do it because I make you profit, so there's no reason I should be grateful or loyal to you any more than you are to me. | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 14:49 | comment | added | Demonblack | @Mais "however the HR are calling me unethical which is making me feel uneasy." And that's bullshit. What I said about the company applies in a perfectly mirrored way to you: you're running a business, just like them - it's just that your business is selling your labor rather than a finished product or service. You should have absolutely zero "ethical" reservations about leaving a company to go somewhere that pays you more. | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 14:06 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Demonblack Okay, well let's agree to disagree :) | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 13:57 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton I disagree with you about it being a red flag at all. It's just a business doing business. | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 12:53 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Demonblack That's why I said it's a red flag, not an outright reason to quit/not take the job. Where exactly are you disagreeing with me? | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 9:20 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton "For the company to make profit, they had better care about their employee's livelihood." No they don't. So long as the employee is happy working for half pay and doesn't look for jobs elsewhere, they have literally zero reason to pay him more. The only time they would need to proactively raise his salary is if they value the employee a lot, believe the market is competitive enough that he is likely to receive unsolicited offers of higher salaries, and they want to gain his trust to keep him long term. That reasoning doesn't apply to a candidate you've only met in interview. | |
| Jul 11, 2019 at 9:16 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton Of corse I do, but that's the opposite of what's happening to OP. If my mechanic jacks the price up to 2x of course I'm gonna go somewhere else. If he says he's gonna give me a 50% discount from now on, why would I? Even though I KNOW that means he was marking up a crapton beforehand, what matters is that now he's offering me a very competitive price. | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 16:28 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Demonblack Of course I would be happy to pay half price for a single service, this isn't what we are talking about. Bottom line is companies can't focus only on profits, even while that may be their main goal in business. "companies exist to make profit, not care about the employee's livelihood" - For the company to make profit, they had better care about their employee's livelihood. Let me flip your analogy around. Need your car fixed? Well the mechanic just told you they are charging double normal price (assume you knew normal price beforehand), do you go to a different mechanic? | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 15:40 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton "complete disregard for an employees livelihood" And again, the company exists to make profit, not to care about the employees' livelihood. If you could "get away" with paying half the price to get your car fixed, or your windows replaced, or whatever, you would do it in an instant. That's how capitalism works. | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 12:58 | comment | added | WoJ | It is interesting that the rules during probation period are not symmetrical. Would you mind mentioning the country? | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 8:51 | vote | accept | Mais | ||
| Jul 10, 2019 at 8:40 | history | edited | Mais | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2019 at 8:29 | history | edited | Mais | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2019 at 8:00 | comment | added | Mais | Thank you everyone for the feedback. Find above my updated story. | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 7:59 | history | edited | Mais | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 9, 2019 at 15:53 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Demonblack Again, I'm not saying this should be grounds to immediately withdraw from the company, just a red flag. What you say is true, however, the company didn't just offer "more", it doubled the amount they were willing to pay, to me, that's more than just "cutting costs", it's complete disregard for an employees livelihood. If OP took the job before, this employer would be getting away with paying someone half of what the company believe that employee is worth the entire time they worked there. Some people don't really have the option to say "no" to a job offer. | |
| Jul 9, 2019 at 15:46 | comment | added | Demonblack | @GrumpyCrouton That's a pretty unreasonable assumption. A company exists to make profit, not handhold their employees or be "fair". And to make profit you need to reduce cost and increase revenue. Paying the employee as little as they're willing to take is a perfectly reasonable way to reduce cost. It's up to you to make your case and convince them that you're worth more, which the OP obviously did. Also, it could very well be that they had another better candidate lined up who pulled out at the last moment, so their first choice is now gone and they're willing to spend more to get someone. | |
| Jul 9, 2019 at 14:10 | comment | added | Tomáš Zato | Where I live the probation period means that either party may terminate the contract any time without a reason. | |
| Jul 9, 2019 at 12:38 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Davor Seems like a lot of people disagree with you. We can agree to disagree. I guess it doesn't necessarily mean they don't value their employees, but it is a red flag which was my point anyways. | |
| Jul 9, 2019 at 12:34 | comment | added | Jirka Hanika | Two of the posted answer may be misreading you as having an opportunity to double your salary by switching the job, while you are not really mentioning how your new salary will compare to your current salary, except that it is sufficiently higher to be an incentive for the switchover. Keep in mind that you'd probably get some slightly different answers if you were about to leave for a "mere" 20% increase, for example. See also @chepner's comment. | |
| Jul 9, 2019 at 9:07 | answer | added | m.raynal | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 22:10 | comment | added | chepner | So how does the 2x offer compare to your current salary? What is their probationary period? I would proceed with caution. | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 20:51 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | @Davor They obviously don't value their employees when offering them half of what they themselves believe they are worth. I never said OP shouldn't take the job, however, this is a red flag, and it should make OP look for other red flags which may make it not worth taking the job. | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 19:26 | comment | added | Davor | @GrumpyCrouton - and why not? Do you have any objective reason besides hurt pride? | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 17:12 | answer | added | Monica Apologists Get Out | timeline score: 14 | |
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| Jul 8, 2019 at 14:56 | comment | added | GrumpyCrouton | So they originally offered you half of what they believe you are actually worth, then increased it only when you declined? And you still want to work there? | |
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| Jul 8, 2019 at 12:39 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | Related: How much should I say in an exit interview? | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 12:37 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | Possible duplicate of How can one resign from a new job gracefully? | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 12:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackWorkplace/status/1148200138747387905 | ||
| Jul 8, 2019 at 7:27 | vote | accept | Mais | ||
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| Jul 8, 2019 at 6:36 | answer | added | Sourav Ghosh | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 6:36 | answer | added | PagMax | timeline score: 34 | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 6:32 | answer | added | Niko1978 | timeline score: 53 | |
| Jul 8, 2019 at 6:30 | comment | added | Sourav Ghosh | Question: If your current company matches the amount again - what will be your decision? | |
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| Jul 8, 2019 at 6:14 | history | asked | Mais | CC BY-SA 4.0 |